Wrong. -original message- Subject: [talks-uk] Re: [talks-up] Re: FW: Re: Any more news... From: "Matt Brown" <matthew_brown@xxxxxxx> Date: 27/09/2009 3:24 pm Yes but Neil you said it yourself! You're a dealer and you're offering support! A company like Freedom Scientific is a manufacturer and they don't offer support. Sight And Sound offers support, not Freedom Scientific. Matt -------------------------------------------------- From: "Neil Barnfather - TalkNav" <talks@xxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 2:50 PM To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: [talks-up] Re: FW: Re: Any more news... > Darren, > > You fail to answer my question though, you ask well it comes down to how > much the dealer charges, how much do you feel is too much. > > For TalkNav every hour on the phone for support costs us, and I mean costs > us, about £20, not to mention when we're supporting we're not selling, > which > is another cost, the cost of not selling... > > How much do you feel a dealer is allowed to make? > > > > ---Neil Barnfather > TalkNav > > TalkNav is a Nuance Accessibility software reseller and authorized > distributor of Wayfinder products, with product activation codes delivered > direct to your mailbox, why not try TalkNav today? > > www.talknav.com > www.wayfinderaccess.com > Telephone from the UK: 0844 412 1062 > Telephone outside the UK: +44 161 277 7997 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > On Behalf Of Darren Harris > Sent: 27 September 2009 14:40 > To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [talks-uk] Re: [talks-up] Re: FW: Re: Any more news... > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather - > TalkNav > Sent: 27 September 2009 14:30 > To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [talks-uk] Re: [talks-up] Re: FW: Re: Any more news... > > > Darren, > > For someone who studied economics and business finance you seem to have > a lack of understanding of it; > > All products have a cost of development, then a cost to bring them to > market, add to which dealer margins etc, most products are made up on > one of two models; > > One third materials, one third labour and the other third profit. > > Is that a 0 on each third? > Or > > Costs of goods times 4 which accounts for sub-dealers, primary dealers > or distribution channels, marketing etc. > So then it boils down to how much the dealers will charge for their > services doesn't it. > > I ask you this how much profit is too much? £50, £20, £1000? Where do we > draw the line, how much does someone make on a Mercedes? How much does > someone make on a casio watch? > > The point is that there's tons of cars people can buy out there. Also > you can choose not to have a car. A blind person cannot choose not to > have a screen reader. Poor argument. > Let me tell you, the profit on a Mercedes is 6% yet the profit on a > Casio watch is about 24%, this was from figures in the economist last > year, now if I'd have asked you which was the biggest rip off, you'd > have said the car, yet clearly not so. > > So how much profit if you know all the answers is too much for FS to > have. > > Just because GW can afford to give credit what inside knowledge of FS > accounts and practices do you have which enables you to state that they > can for sure offer credit? That's right, you have no idea as to whether > or not FS are able to offer it, maybe they don't have the funds in the > bank, maybe they do, maybe their share holders won't allow it, maybe > their morally bankrupt, maybe just GW is desperate for the business so > they'll do anything for it. Who knows. > > Well if they're that bad off and need the business they've certainly > found a good way of getting it don't you think? > All I'm trying to do here is stimulate the debate a little rather than > FS bash... > > You seem to far too easily be merging the distinction between a charity > status, and a company here to make a profit. No-one's said FS doesn't > necessarily make a big profit, but so do very many companies, your > Father works for Indisit, an essential product the humble washing > machine, how much profit do they make per unit? No doubt the CEO of > Indisit doesn't travel about in a Scoda, and I don't see you bitching > about that. > Again the point is, that there's various type of machine out there that > you can get. Ranging from £200 upwards. Is it that wide ranging with > screen readers? No. > > FS nor any of the access companies are here for our benefit, they're > here as this is a market opportunity for them. > No, they are here to serve. They are tools for us to make use of. > Nothing more or less. If they don't serve then they go. It's as simple > as that. > > You can either buy their stuff or not, but for goodness sake shut up > about the fact that you don't like the way they do things, we all get > it, Darren doesn't like FS, he thinks KNFB Reader is overpriced, but to > be honest, that's just your view, and perhaps the majorities view, but > it's not compulsory for you to buy from them is it? > No, but it's a fact that cannot be denied whether you like it or not. > > There are thank goodness choices out there. > Are there? Do we choose not to have a screen reader? No. so what > happens. A high price is slapped on the obvious solution. Sorry but > again the argument is flawed. > Just like in practically all markets, choice exists and the market > dictates, get off your soap box on this list about it please. > No. > > > ---Neil Barnfather > TalkNav > > TalkNav is a Nuance Accessibility software reseller and authorized > distributor of Wayfinder products, with product activation codes > delivered direct to your mailbox, why not try TalkNav today? > > www.talknav.com > www.wayfinderaccess.com > Telephone from the UK: 0844 412 1062 > Telephone outside the UK: +44 161 277 7997 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > On Behalf Of Darren Harris > Sent: 27 September 2009 12:31 > To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news... > > Well in this case we are I'm afraid to say. I've said it before, I'll > say it again. If the companies in question reduced their prices or even > gave more affordable options for people to pay then more people would > pay for said products. It's only their own stupidity that keeps the > market small. There's tons of people out there who may want a jaws > payment plan but does it exist? No. so where do they go, to gw micro. > And why is this, because the fools at freedom scientific only see what's > coming in now not what will come in if they made their products more > affordable to their customer base both currant and future. It's simple > mathematics. If you can't afford 800 quid in 1 hit but can pay another > company who produces and equivalent product at the same price 80 quid > for 10 months not including interest what is that person more likely to > go for? Assuming they're willing to pay that extra amount of interest on > top. The point is that the option isn't there. If it was, then I think > you'd find less people wining and bitching about it because it could be > more affordable. Again, we're right, everybody else is wrong. > > -----Original Message----- > From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather - > TalkNav > Sent: 27 September 2009 12:23 > To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news... > > > And just why is that, just because more are for than against, doesn't > mean that the majority are right. > > > > ---Neil Barnfather > TalkNav > > TalkNav is a Nuance Accessibility software reseller and authorized > distributor of Wayfinder products, with product activation codes > delivered direct to your mailbox, why not try TalkNav today? > > www.talknav.com > www.wayfinderaccess.com > Telephone from the UK: 0844 412 1062 > Telephone outside the UK: +44 161 277 7997 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > On Behalf Of Darren Harris > Sent: 27 September 2009 12:19 > To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news... > > So? The majority of people don't have to spend 700 quid plus just to > make a computer work for them so it balances out IMO. Yes if you got a > job that's totally cool and all that and power to anybody that has. But > even for those in employment it's still expensive, prohibitibely so. > Sorry neil but this is an argument you just aren't going to win here. > There are more against this than are for it whether people like it or > not. > > -----Original Message----- > From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather - > TalkNav > Sent: 27 September 2009 12:14 > To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news... > > > Low incomes, do you know with DLA< SDA, Income support, housing benefit > and council tax relief that the equivalents salary to a tax payer is > more or less like £20,000 per year and if not more... > > Get over yourself. > > > > ---Neil Barnfather > TalkNav > > TalkNav is a Nuance Accessibility software reseller and authorized > distributor of Wayfinder products, with product activation codes > delivered direct to your mailbox, why not try TalkNav today? > > www.talknav.com > www.wayfinderaccess.com > Telephone from the UK: 0844 412 1062 > Telephone outside the UK: +44 161 277 7997 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > On Behalf Of Matt Brown > Sent: 27 September 2009 11:56 > To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news... > > Problem is Freedom scientific wants all its money and it wants it now! > got > to keep paying those fuel bills and green taxes on the private jet don't > you > > know? > > I do think its disgusting that these companies won't even offer a > payment > plan so blind people on low incomes can spread payment, but as far as I > know > > GW Micro is the only company that offers something like that. > > Freedom Scientific never have that's for sure. > > I don't know if the situation has changed, but in point of fact, I think > we > here in Britain pay a huge amount more for Jaws than Americans do, and > that's also disgusting! > > Matt > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Darren Harris" <darren_g_harris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 11:30 AM > To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news... > >> Neil, >> >> Gw micro offer very successfully I might add a payment plan for >> windoweyes. What they do is every 30 days you renew the licence of >> windoweyes for what ever the amount is I have no idea, so it breaks >> the cost down for the individual. >> >> It can be done. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather - >> TalkNav >> Sent: 27 September 2009 11:22 >> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news... >> >> >> Darren, >> >> Perhaps there marketing point is to keep exclusivity? You're assuming >> they want to sell it... >> >> Just another slant, you seem to forget just how much research and >> development actually costs. >> >> When you're developing and researching, but you're going to sell your >> en product to millions, then it's likely your end price is lower, when > >> you're selling to small r groups then your price is higher. >> >> Gosh I thought you did economics, prices for accessibility technology >> is high, higher than I'd like, but do you want access companies to >> magic research and development which costs millions out of fin air? >> >> >> >> ---Neil Barnfather >> TalkNav >> >> TalkNav is a Nuance Accessibility software reseller and authorized >> distributor of Wayfinder products, with product activation codes >> delivered direct to your mailbox, why not try TalkNav today? >> >> www.talknav.com >> www.wayfinderaccess.com >> Telephone from the UK: 0844 412 1062 >> Telephone outside the UK: +44 161 277 7997 >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] >> On Behalf Of Darren Harris >> Sent: 25 September 2009 20:38 >> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news... >> >> It's simple logic. If you can't afford it because the kids come first >> then so be it. It wouldn't be as bad if like gw micro they offered a >> payment plan. They don't. unless you get the n82 and talks as a bundle > >> but if you already got a phone then why go down that road so where's >> the flexibility in that? Sorry but 600 quid is way too much for the >> majority of people to shell out on and it's stupid to expect a ton of >> people to buy it. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Dryden >> Sent: 25 September 2009 20:33 >> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news... >> >> >> My god, what an archaic attitude! With that, we'd all be in the >> ghettos! I mean, before we had computers with speech, we had manual >> typewriters, blind people did ok then as well! In fact, what's the >> point of progression anyway? Haha, not starting an argument, just >> putting my point over! > To >> be >> honest, yes, KNF is a bit expensive but as with most of this type of >> technology, it's all expensive because of the R & D. And, sorry, you >> just can't get away from it. >> >> Steve >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Darren Harris" <darren_g_harris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 7:01 PM >> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news... >> >> >>> Well like I've said before, take a family of 4, 1 or both parents are > >>> blind and both have phones. So who goes without if they can either >>> afford ecentials for the kids or a little programme which is at a >>> ripoff price and quite a few people in prominent potisions just >>> wouldn't recommend it for the price. It's way to much money for what >>> it is. I mean what's the hastle in taking something to your desktop >>> scanner and getting it to read that? Ok it may not be able to do tins > >>> and the like bla bla bla but being honest blind people have coped >>> without that for years so why worry about it now >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of DurDevil >>> Sent: 25 September 2009 18:01 >>> To: Talks-Uk Email group >>> Subject: [talks-uk] FW: Re: Any more news... >>> >>> >>> Hi neil. I agree that we dont want to start a arguement but if it was > >>> slightly more affordable then it would reach more customers and now >>> the main idea has been developed it surely could come down in price. >>> Jaws for a pc is expensive and Talks for mobiles puts similar >>> functionality into peoples pockets but if Nuance expected pricing >>> like >> >>> FS it would not reach as many people. These programs are worth their >>> weight to blind people but just think of how many peoples lives could > >>> be improved if it was all more affordable. Cheers. Pete >>> >>> -original message- >>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news... >>> From: "Neil Barnfather - TalkNav" <talks@xxxxxxxxxxx> >>> Date: 25/09/2009 5:47 pm >>> >>> Darren, >>> >>> KNFB Mobile Reader is I'm afraid well worth the price, I don't want >>> to >> >>> get into a shouting match about this, but when you consider the cost >>> of Kertzvil standard PC software and a scanner, verse that of a phone > >>> which can go with you anywhere and read odd shaped products it's well > >>> worth every penny. >>> >>> >>> >>> ---Neil Barnfather >>> TalkNav >>> >>> TalkNav is a Nuance Accessibility software reseller and authorized >>> distributor of Wayfinder products, with product activation codes >>> delivered direct to your mailbox, why not try TalkNav today? >>> >>> www.talknav.com >>> www.wayfinderaccess.com >>> Telephone from the UK: 0844 412 1062 >>> Telephone outside the UK: +44 161 277 7997 >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] >>> On Behalf Of Darren Harris >>> Sent: 25 September 2009 16:17 >>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news... >>> >>> Lol with 3 letters gone are they going to reduce the price as well to > >>> make it worth buying? >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jackie Cairns >>> Sent: 25 September 2009 16:16 >>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news... >>> >>> >>> Hi Neil >>> >>> K-Reader is now known officially as the software that used to be >>> called K-NFB Reader, least that's my understanding. >>> >>> >>> Jackie Cairns >>> Braille Specialist >>> Email: jackie.cairns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Sight and Sound Technology Ltd >>> Welton House North Wing >>> Summerhouse Road >>> Moulton Park >>> Northampton >>> NN3 6WD >>> Tel: 01604 798024 >>> Mob: 07887 883815 >>> www.sightandsound.co.uk >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather - > >>> TalkNav >>> Sent: 25 September 2009 14:07 >>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news... >>> >>> Jackie, >>> >>> Do you mean K Reader or KNFB Reader, they are two different products? >>> >>> >>> >>> ---Neil Barnfather >>> TalkNav >>> >>> TalkNav is a Nuance Accessibility software reseller and authorized >>> distributor of Wayfinder products, with product activation codes >>> delivered direct to your mailbox, why not try TalkNav today? >>> >>> www.talknav.com >>> www.wayfinderaccess.com >>> Telephone from the UK: 0844 412 1062 >>> Telephone outside the UK: +44 161 277 7997 >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] >>> On Behalf Of Jackie Cairns >>> Sent: 25 September 2009 13:39 >>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news... >>> >>> Hi Steve >>> >>> I now have the K-Reader on my N86, and will run it alongside my work >>> N82 at the weekend for a comparison. I love the N86's chunky feel, >>> and the buttons are so much more tactile all round than the N82. >>> Often, customers struggle with the Talks/Menu button on the N82, and >>> the soft key positions. They shouldn't experience the same issues >>> with the N86 as the buttons are so nicely spaced out. >>> >>> I've tried the FM transmitter, and this works a treat if you keep the > >>> phone fairly close to the radio or system you are putting it through. >>> >>> I'm looking forward to spending more time with it and the N82 this >>> weekend. >>> >>> >>> Jackie Cairns >>> Braille Specialist >>> Email: jackie.cairns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sight and Sound Technology >>> Ltd Welton House North Wing Summerhouse Road Moulton Park Northampton > >>> NN3 6WD >>> Tel: 01604 798024 >>> Mob: 07887 883815 >>> www.sightandsound.co.uk >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt >>> Sent: 25 September 2009 11:48 >>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news... >>> >>> Hi Jackie, >>> >>> The processor is faster in the N86 than either phone, the camera is >>> obviously better, and if you have tried KNFB Reader on it, you would >>> see that it is miles faster than the N82. >>> >>> It is a little heavy in my view, but the butoons on it are just as >>> nice as the N82, if not a bit wider. >>> >>> An all-round good phone, and the battery life is even better than the > >>> N82 in my experience. >>> >>> The N79 is pretty good, but it doesn't have the 8MP camera which >>> helps >> >>> KNFB, and KNFB won't let you run it on the N79, I think they are just > >>> being paranoid and will have to do something soon, because TextScout >>> is excellent on it. >>> >>> All the best >>> >>> Steve >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] >>> On Behalf Of Jackie Cairns >>> Sent: Friday 25 September 2009 11:45 >>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news... >>> >>> Hi Steve >>> >>> So you've got the N86? What do you love about it, and how do you >>> think it compares to the N82 and N79? Really interested in what you >>> have to say. >>> >>> >>> Jackie Cairns >>> Braille Specialist >>> Email: jackie.cairns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sight and Sound Technology >>> Ltd Welton House North Wing Summerhouse Road Moulton Park Northampton > >>> NN3 6WD >>> Tel: 01604 798024 >>> Mob: 07887 883815 >>> www.sightandsound.co.uk >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt >>> Sent: 25 September 2009 11:20 >>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news... >>> >>> Hi Matt, >>> >>> No news yet. 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