[talks-uk] Re: [talks-up] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
- From: "Darren Harris" <darren_g_harris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:30:16 +0100
Yes that's true and it's got to be said that talknav are there when you
need them for talks or wfa
-----Original Message-----
From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Matt Brown
Sent: 27 September 2009 15:24
To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: [talks-up] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
Yes but Neil you said it yourself! You're a dealer and you're offering
support! A company like Freedom Scientific is a manufacturer and they
don't
offer support. Sight And Sound offers support, not Freedom Scientific.
Matt
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From: "Neil Barnfather - TalkNav" <talks@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 2:50 PM
To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [talks-uk] Re: [talks-up] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
> Darren,
>
> You fail to answer my question though, you ask well it comes down to
> how much the dealer charges, how much do you feel is too much.
>
> For TalkNav every hour on the phone for support costs us, and I mean
> costs us, about £20, not to mention when we're supporting we're not
> selling, which is another cost, the cost of not selling...
>
> How much do you feel a dealer is allowed to make?
>
>
>
> ---Neil Barnfather
> TalkNav
>
> TalkNav is a Nuance Accessibility software reseller and authorized
> distributor of Wayfinder products, with product activation codes
> delivered direct to your mailbox, why not try TalkNav today?
>
> www.talknav.com
> www.wayfinderaccess.com
> Telephone from the UK: 0844 412 1062
> Telephone outside the UK: +44 161 277 7997
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Darren Harris
> Sent: 27 September 2009 14:40
> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: [talks-up] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather -
> TalkNav
> Sent: 27 September 2009 14:30
> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: [talks-up] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>
>
> Darren,
>
> For someone who studied economics and business finance you seem to
> have a lack of understanding of it;
>
> All products have a cost of development, then a cost to bring them to
> market, add to which dealer margins etc, most products are made up on
> one of two models;
>
> One third materials, one third labour and the other third profit.
>
> Is that a 0 on each third?
> Or
>
> Costs of goods times 4 which accounts for sub-dealers, primary dealers
> or distribution channels, marketing etc. So then it boils down to how
> much the dealers will charge for their services doesn't it.
>
> I ask you this how much profit is too much? £50, £20, £1000? Where do
> we draw the line, how much does someone make on a Mercedes? How much
> does someone make on a casio watch?
>
> The point is that there's tons of cars people can buy out there. Also
> you can choose not to have a car. A blind person cannot choose not to
> have a screen reader. Poor argument. Let me tell you, the profit on a
> Mercedes is 6% yet the profit on a Casio watch is about 24%, this was
> from figures in the economist last year, now if I'd have asked you
> which was the biggest rip off, you'd have said the car, yet clearly
> not so.
>
> So how much profit if you know all the answers is too much for FS to
> have.
>
> Just because GW can afford to give credit what inside knowledge of FS
> accounts and practices do you have which enables you to state that
> they can for sure offer credit? That's right, you have no idea as to
> whether or not FS are able to offer it, maybe they don't have the
> funds in the bank, maybe they do, maybe their share holders won't
> allow it, maybe their morally bankrupt, maybe just GW is desperate for
> the business so they'll do anything for it. Who knows.
>
> Well if they're that bad off and need the business they've certainly
> found a good way of getting it don't you think? All I'm trying to do
> here is stimulate the debate a little rather than FS bash...
>
> You seem to far too easily be merging the distinction between a
> charity status, and a company here to make a profit. No-one's said FS
> doesn't necessarily make a big profit, but so do very many companies,
> your Father works for Indisit, an essential product the humble washing
> machine, how much profit do they make per unit? No doubt the CEO of
> Indisit doesn't travel about in a Scoda, and I don't see you bitching
> about that. Again the point is, that there's various type of machine
> out there that you can get. Ranging from £200 upwards. Is it that wide
> ranging with screen readers? No.
>
> FS nor any of the access companies are here for our benefit, they're
> here as this is a market opportunity for them. No, they are here to
> serve. They are tools for us to make use of. Nothing more or less. If
> they don't serve then they go. It's as simple as that.
>
> You can either buy their stuff or not, but for goodness sake shut up
> about the fact that you don't like the way they do things, we all get
> it, Darren doesn't like FS, he thinks KNFB Reader is overpriced, but
> to be honest, that's just your view, and perhaps the majorities view,
> but it's not compulsory for you to buy from them is it? No, but it's a
> fact that cannot be denied whether you like it or not.
>
> There are thank goodness choices out there.
> Are there? Do we choose not to have a screen reader? No. so what
> happens. A high price is slapped on the obvious solution. Sorry but
> again the argument is flawed. Just like in practically all markets,
> choice exists and the market dictates, get off your soap box on this
> list about it please. No.
>
>
> ---Neil Barnfather
> TalkNav
>
> TalkNav is a Nuance Accessibility software reseller and authorized
> distributor of Wayfinder products, with product activation codes
> delivered direct to your mailbox, why not try TalkNav today?
>
> www.talknav.com
> www.wayfinderaccess.com
> Telephone from the UK: 0844 412 1062
> Telephone outside the UK: +44 161 277 7997
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Darren Harris
> Sent: 27 September 2009 12:31
> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>
> Well in this case we are I'm afraid to say. I've said it before, I'll
> say it again. If the companies in question reduced their prices or
> even gave more affordable options for people to pay then more people
> would pay for said products. It's only their own stupidity that keeps
> the market small. There's tons of people out there who may want a jaws
> payment plan but does it exist? No. so where do they go, to gw micro.
> And why is this, because the fools at freedom scientific only see
> what's coming in now not what will come in if they made their products
> more affordable to their customer base both currant and future. It's
> simple mathematics. If you can't afford 800 quid in 1 hit but can pay
> another company who produces and equivalent product at the same price
> 80 quid for 10 months not including interest what is that person more
> likely to go for? Assuming they're willing to pay that extra amount of
> interest on top. The point is that the option isn't there. If it was,
> then I think you'd find less people wining and bitching about it
> because it could be more affordable. Again, we're right, everybody
> else is wrong.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather -
> TalkNav
> Sent: 27 September 2009 12:23
> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>
>
> And just why is that, just because more are for than against, doesn't
> mean that the majority are right.
>
>
>
> ---Neil Barnfather
> TalkNav
>
> TalkNav is a Nuance Accessibility software reseller and authorized
> distributor of Wayfinder products, with product activation codes
> delivered direct to your mailbox, why not try TalkNav today?
>
> www.talknav.com
> www.wayfinderaccess.com
> Telephone from the UK: 0844 412 1062
> Telephone outside the UK: +44 161 277 7997
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Darren Harris
> Sent: 27 September 2009 12:19
> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>
> So? The majority of people don't have to spend 700 quid plus just to
> make a computer work for them so it balances out IMO. Yes if you got a
> job that's totally cool and all that and power to anybody that has.
> But even for those in employment it's still expensive, prohibitibely
> so. Sorry neil but this is an argument you just aren't going to win
> here. There are more against this than are for it whether people like
> it or not.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather -
> TalkNav
> Sent: 27 September 2009 12:14
> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>
>
> Low incomes, do you know with DLA< SDA, Income support, housing
> benefit and council tax relief that the equivalents salary to a tax
> payer is more or less like £20,000 per year and if not more...
>
> Get over yourself.
>
>
>
> ---Neil Barnfather
> TalkNav
>
> TalkNav is a Nuance Accessibility software reseller and authorized
> distributor of Wayfinder products, with product activation codes
> delivered direct to your mailbox, why not try TalkNav today?
>
> www.talknav.com
> www.wayfinderaccess.com
> Telephone from the UK: 0844 412 1062
> Telephone outside the UK: +44 161 277 7997
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Matt Brown
> Sent: 27 September 2009 11:56
> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>
> Problem is Freedom scientific wants all its money and it wants it now!
> got to keep paying those fuel bills and green taxes on the private jet
> don't you
>
> know?
>
> I do think its disgusting that these companies won't even offer a
> payment plan so blind people on low incomes can spread payment, but as
> far as I know
>
> GW Micro is the only company that offers something like that.
>
> Freedom Scientific never have that's for sure.
>
> I don't know if the situation has changed, but in point of fact, I
> think we here in Britain pay a huge amount more for Jaws than
> Americans do, and that's also disgusting!
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Darren Harris" <darren_g_harris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 11:30 AM
> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>
>> Neil,
>>
>> Gw micro offer very successfully I might add a payment plan for
>> windoweyes. What they do is every 30 days you renew the licence of
>> windoweyes for what ever the amount is I have no idea, so it breaks
>> the cost down for the individual.
>>
>> It can be done.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather -
>> TalkNav
>> Sent: 27 September 2009 11:22
>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>>
>>
>> Darren,
>>
>> Perhaps there marketing point is to keep exclusivity? You're assuming
>> they want to sell it...
>>
>> Just another slant, you seem to forget just how much research and
>> development actually costs.
>>
>> When you're developing and researching, but you're going to sell your
>> en product to millions, then it's likely your end price is lower,
>> when
>
>> you're selling to small r groups then your price is higher.
>>
>> Gosh I thought you did economics, prices for accessibility technology
>> is high, higher than I'd like, but do you want access companies to
>> magic research and development which costs millions out of fin air?
>>
>>
>>
>> ---Neil Barnfather
>> TalkNav
>>
>> TalkNav is a Nuance Accessibility software reseller and authorized
>> distributor of Wayfinder products, with product activation codes
>> delivered direct to your mailbox, why not try TalkNav today?
>>
>> www.talknav.com
>> www.wayfinderaccess.com
>> Telephone from the UK: 0844 412 1062
>> Telephone outside the UK: +44 161 277 7997
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> On Behalf Of Darren Harris
>> Sent: 25 September 2009 20:38
>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>>
>> It's simple logic. If you can't afford it because the kids come first
>> then so be it. It wouldn't be as bad if like gw micro they offered a
>> payment plan. They don't. unless you get the n82 and talks as a
>> bundle
>
>> but if you already got a phone then why go down that road so where's
>> the flexibility in that? Sorry but 600 quid is way too much for the
>> majority of people to shell out on and it's stupid to expect a ton of
>> people to buy it.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Dryden
>> Sent: 25 September 2009 20:33
>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>>
>>
>> My god, what an archaic attitude! With that, we'd all be in the
>> ghettos! I mean, before we had computers with speech, we had manual
>> typewriters, blind people did ok then as well! In fact, what's the
>> point of progression anyway? Haha, not starting an argument, just
>> putting my point over!
> To
>> be
>> honest, yes, KNF is a bit expensive but as with most of this type of
>> technology, it's all expensive because of the R & D. And, sorry, you
>> just can't get away from it.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Darren Harris" <darren_g_harris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 7:01 PM
>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: FW: Re: Any more news...
>>
>>
>>> Well like I've said before, take a family of 4, 1 or both parents
>>> are
>
>>> blind and both have phones. So who goes without if they can either
>>> afford ecentials for the kids or a little programme which is at a
>>> ripoff price and quite a few people in prominent potisions just
>>> wouldn't recommend it for the price. It's way to much money for what
>>> it is. I mean what's the hastle in taking something to your desktop
>>> scanner and getting it to read that? Ok it may not be able to do
>>> tins
>
>>> and the like bla bla bla but being honest blind people have coped
>>> without that for years so why worry about it now
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of DurDevil
>>> Sent: 25 September 2009 18:01
>>> To: Talks-Uk Email group
>>> Subject: [talks-uk] FW: Re: Any more news...
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi neil. I agree that we dont want to start a arguement but if it
>>> was
>
>>> slightly more affordable then it would reach more customers and now
>>> the main idea has been developed it surely could come down in price.
>>> Jaws for a pc is expensive and Talks for mobiles puts similar
>>> functionality into peoples pockets but if Nuance expected pricing
>>> like
>>
>>> FS it would not reach as many people. These programs are worth their
>>> weight to blind people but just think of how many peoples lives
>>> could
>
>>> be improved if it was all more affordable. Cheers. Pete
>>>
>>> -original message-
>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news...
>>> From: "Neil Barnfather - TalkNav" <talks@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Date: 25/09/2009 5:47 pm
>>>
>>> Darren,
>>>
>>> KNFB Mobile Reader is I'm afraid well worth the price, I don't want
>>> to
>>
>>> get into a shouting match about this, but when you consider the cost
>>> of Kertzvil standard PC software and a scanner, verse that of a
>>> phone
>
>>> which can go with you anywhere and read odd shaped products it's
>>> well
>
>>> worth every penny.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---Neil Barnfather
>>> TalkNav
>>>
>>> TalkNav is a Nuance Accessibility software reseller and authorized
>>> distributor of Wayfinder products, with product activation codes
>>> delivered direct to your mailbox, why not try TalkNav today?
>>>
>>> www.talknav.com
>>> www.wayfinderaccess.com
>>> Telephone from the UK: 0844 412 1062
>>> Telephone outside the UK: +44 161 277 7997
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>> On Behalf Of Darren Harris
>>> Sent: 25 September 2009 16:17
>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news...
>>>
>>> Lol with 3 letters gone are they going to reduce the price as well
>>> to
>
>>> make it worth buying?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jackie Cairns
>>> Sent: 25 September 2009 16:16
>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news...
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Neil
>>>
>>> K-Reader is now known officially as the software that used to be
>>> called K-NFB Reader, least that's my understanding.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jackie Cairns
>>> Braille Specialist
>>> Email: jackie.cairns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Sight and Sound Technology Ltd
>>> Welton House North Wing
>>> Summerhouse Road
>>> Moulton Park
>>> Northampton
>>> NN3 6WD
>>> Tel: 01604 798024
>>> Mob: 07887 883815
>>> www.sightandsound.co.uk
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Neil Barnfather
>>> -
>
>>> TalkNav
>>> Sent: 25 September 2009 14:07
>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news...
>>>
>>> Jackie,
>>>
>>> Do you mean K Reader or KNFB Reader, they are two different
>>> products?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---Neil Barnfather
>>> TalkNav
>>>
>>> TalkNav is a Nuance Accessibility software reseller and authorized
>>> distributor of Wayfinder products, with product activation codes
>>> delivered direct to your mailbox, why not try TalkNav today?
>>>
>>> www.talknav.com
>>> www.wayfinderaccess.com
>>> Telephone from the UK: 0844 412 1062
>>> Telephone outside the UK: +44 161 277 7997
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>> On Behalf Of Jackie Cairns
>>> Sent: 25 September 2009 13:39
>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news...
>>>
>>> Hi Steve
>>>
>>> I now have the K-Reader on my N86, and will run it alongside my work
>>> N82 at the weekend for a comparison. I love the N86's chunky feel,
>>> and the buttons are so much more tactile all round than the N82.
>>> Often, customers struggle with the Talks/Menu button on the N82, and
>>> the soft key positions. They shouldn't experience the same issues
>>> with the N86 as the buttons are so nicely spaced out.
>>>
>>> I've tried the FM transmitter, and this works a treat if you keep
>>> the
>
>>> phone fairly close to the radio or system you are putting it
>>> through.
>>>
>>> I'm looking forward to spending more time with it and the N82 this
>>> weekend.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jackie Cairns
>>> Braille Specialist
>>> Email: jackie.cairns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sight and Sound Technology
>>> Ltd Welton House North Wing Summerhouse Road Moulton Park
>>> Northampton
>
>>> NN3 6WD
>>> Tel: 01604 798024
>>> Mob: 07887 883815
>>> www.sightandsound.co.uk
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
>>> Sent: 25 September 2009 11:48
>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news...
>>>
>>> Hi Jackie,
>>>
>>> The processor is faster in the N86 than either phone, the camera is
>>> obviously better, and if you have tried KNFB Reader on it, you would
>>> see that it is miles faster than the N82.
>>>
>>> It is a little heavy in my view, but the butoons on it are just as
>>> nice as the N82, if not a bit wider.
>>>
>>> An all-round good phone, and the battery life is even better than
>>> the
>
>>> N82 in my experience.
>>>
>>> The N79 is pretty good, but it doesn't have the 8MP camera which
>>> helps
>>
>>> KNFB, and KNFB won't let you run it on the N79, I think they are
>>> just
>
>>> being paranoid and will have to do something soon, because TextScout
>>> is excellent on it.
>>>
>>> All the best
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>> On Behalf Of Jackie Cairns
>>> Sent: Friday 25 September 2009 11:45
>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news...
>>>
>>> Hi Steve
>>>
>>> So you've got the N86? What do you love about it, and how do you
>>> think it compares to the N82 and N79? Really interested in what you
>>> have to say.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jackie Cairns
>>> Braille Specialist
>>> Email: jackie.cairns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sight and Sound Technology
>>> Ltd Welton House North Wing Summerhouse Road Moulton Park
>>> Northampton
>
>>> NN3 6WD
>>> Tel: 01604 798024
>>> Mob: 07887 883815
>>> www.sightandsound.co.uk
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
>>> Sent: 25 September 2009 11:20
>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Re: Any more news...
>>>
>>> Hi Matt,
>>>
>>> No news yet. But I love my N86.
>>>
>>> All the best
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:talks-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>> On Behalf Of Matt Brown
>>> Sent: Friday 25 September 2009 11:08
>>> To: talks-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [talks-uk] Any more news...
>>>
>>> Hi, is there any more news about N97 and Talks? I'm getting to a
>>> point
>>
>>> where
>>>
>>> I really have to make a decision, N86 or N97! I don't want to be
>>> lumbered with an N97 if speech is months and months away if it comes
>>> at all, but of the 2 handsets it has the feature set I'm looking
>>> for!
>
>>> Apart from the 8 MP camera the N86 doesn't look a whole lot more
>>> powerful than the N82 in reality, whereas the N97 is massivo!
>>>
>>> Matt
>>>
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>> signature database 4169 (20090619) __________
>>
>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.
>>
>> http://www.eset.com
>>
>>
>>
>
> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus
> signature database 4169 (20090619) __________
>
> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.
>
> http://www.eset.com
>
>
>
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> Version: 8.5.416 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2397 - Release Date:
> 09/26/09 17:51:00
>
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> Version: 8.5.416 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2397 - Release Date:
> 09/26/09 17:51:00
>
>
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> Version: 8.5.416 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2397 - Release Date:
> 09/26/09 17:51:00
>
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> Version: 8.5.416 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2397 - Release Date:
> 09/26/09 17:51:00
>
>
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> Version: 8.5.416 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2397 - Release Date:
> 09/26/09 17:51:00
>
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> Version: 8.5.416 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2397 - Release Date:
> 09/26/09 17:51:00
>
>
>
>
>
>
> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus
> signature database 4169 (20090619) __________
>
> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.
>
> http://www.eset.com
>
>
>
__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus
signature database 4169 (20090619) __________
The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.
http://www.eset.com
No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 8.5.416 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2397 - Release Date:
09/26/09 17:51:00
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 8.5.416 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2397 - Release Date:
09/26/09 17:51:00
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