And, this can't all come together at once; it isn't fiscally or physically possible, at this time, but I believe we in TCB definitely have Star Metro's ear and that Star Metro has demonstrated a willingness to work with us and learn from us, but to make this all work seamlessly is going to take time, especially in these times of limited budget.
The city can probably apply for grants, as well, so if any one of you knows grants that might further the Nova 2010 project, please let Star Metro, your city and county commissioners know and do it in a respectful and logical manner, as we may never have an opportunity like this again--at least not anytime soon.
Darla----- Original Message ----- From: "blindwilly" <blindwilly@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 9:58 PM Subject: [tabi] Re: my object to Nova 2010
Chip,I agree that we are all in a different place. Even though I think I have pretty good mobility, I know that there are many that don't and I never forget that. That is why early in the year, I started a dialog about accessibility and I have stayed in the race. One thing that I want to address is, really we are on the same side. We both want to have good accessibility and safe transfers: it is just a difference in our approaches to achieve that goal. Think of this, if one way doesn't work, maybe the other will.We are going to do just fine, \ William----- Original Message ----- From: "Allison and Chip Orange" <acorange@xxxxxxxxxxx>To: <tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 9:10 PM Subject: [tabi] Re: my object to Nova 2010Lynn,I think Charles is right; we should be brave enough to tell people what wecannot *safely* do; especially if, *if*, there's an alternative; transferpoints where riders don't have to leave that point, and the planner told methat was possible. And one more thing Lynn; you're playing with other people's lives; just because you're willing to take the chance on crossing a busy intersectionevery day, should not mean that you argue so that others are also forced todo that.I just talked to a blind person in the last week, who has been blind over 5years, and does not yet feel confident in independent travel. he is also totally blind, which does make a *big* difference.so, I don't feel bad in asking them to do things differently. I'm not doing a "blackjack" and saying I won't play; not when I'm only asking for a changein design. and it's not just blind people who are effected; it's anyone in awheel-chair, or anyone who's elderly and may not walk as fast as they oncedid, or is mobility impaired for any number of reasons.so, I hope you'll think of all these things, and understand I'm asking themto plan for all of these people, not cancel the entire project. thanks for writing and telling us how you feel. Chip -----Original Message-----From: tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tabi-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On BehalfOf Lynn Evans Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 7:21 PM To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [tabi] Re: my object to Nova 2010You are correct in saying there are no guarantees when it comes to life. itis a crap shoot. A person steps out boldly from the curb of life with the mobility skills we have and takes their chances. You are asking for a guarantee for city services? You mean like the electricity want never goout? The water will never be turned off? The trash will always be picked up?Look at the changes Star Metro has made to their plan so far. We asked for aroute description and they gave it to us. Robert asked for the Village Square change and they did that. Let us not do a "Blackjack" here and tell Star metro if they want play by our rules then we will not play,. the intersections where the transferpoints are, need to be made as safe as humanly possible for EVERYONE. Thisis what we need to tell the city commission.It scares me to tell anyone, what I can't do. That puts me in a vulnerableposition in their eyes. We need to work with Star Metro or we are going to be left on the curb as the bus passes us by.----- Original Message ----- From: Easy Talk <mailto:easytalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 2:40 PM Subject: [tabi] Re: my object to Nova 2010 Chip, After much consideration and Soule searching, I am with you 100 percent. I am one who has been hit at an audible crossing. I amcertainly for decentralization but more work needs to be done and as Heather said Star Metro does transportation/buses not Sidewalks, Audible signals or Police Safety. They can only educate but it is up to other departments todo there part and so far there are no guarantees. Robert----- Original Message ----- From: Chip Orange <mailto:Corange@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>To: tabi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 11:54 AM Subject: [tabi] my object to Nova 2010 hi all, I spoke with a StarMetro planner yesterday, and he said only2 intersections of the possible 41 proposed for transfer points, currentlyhave audible signals. (I think Lynn did tell us that). perhaps, just perhaps, they'll be able to add 10, even 20, in the next year, but by no means all of them will get audible signals. the point I made to him, and the one I intend to make to the city commission unless there is a dramatic change in the plan, is that no intersection, even with an audible signal, is safe for a blind person to cross. audible signals only make it somewhat safer, but many of our localblind residents can testify about being hit. I don't think even our best, most skillful, independent travelers, can say that crossing an intersectionsuch as many of those proposed by StarMetro is safe; and, a number of our blind residents do not fall into the class of our "most skillful" independent travelers. I intend to urge the city commission to deny the entire plan until the safety of disable riders can be assured by never requiring atransfer through an intersection; StarMetro has got to be forced to come upwith another way to handle transfers. I know others of you have other objections to the plan, and I've heard and agree with a lot of them, but this is to me, the single really good one, which is good enough to warrant the city commission stopping implementation until it is worked out. I do support other objections which have been raised,including the one I just mentioned that with all the bus stops moving to newlocations, they are going to be hard to find, and that the routes and the location of stops require a lot of walking at times, which itself is also unsafe. but when I write the commission after the plan is submitted tothem, I am only going to focus on the safety issue, as I think it's the mostimportant, and I don't want to overwhelm them in my letter with les important objections. I hope all of you will consider writing to the citycommission, but not until the plan has been submitted to them. any letters before then are evidently just forwarded to StarMetro, without engaging thecommissioners' attention. thanks. 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