Yes I’m sorry Annabelle. I’m on a drug to control my grief and it sometimes
overwhelms me without me realising it.
David
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Thanks David - but you don't owe me an apology. Sadly the ones who merit the
apology is long gone and gets no right of reply to the claims you've made.
I'm glad you've reminded people about this crucial paper that Hasan wrote: 'On
the Conception of Context in Text'. The reference is below, and I'm happy to
supply it in pdf to anyone who would like to read it.
The debate about Halliday v Martin hinges on what Halliday describe as 'the
fundamental abstractions' of our discipline: realisation, and instantiation -
below a couple of Halliday observations of the significance of these
theoretical concepts.
Hasan's paper is about how the models differ with respect to these principles.
They are not subject to falsification - not even with 'massive empirical
descriptions' - they are simply theoretical assumptions, which are defended on
the basis of their descriptive power. Hasan's paper investigates what follows
from the distinct assumptions in Martin's model when compared with Halliday's.
Halliday set out these assumptions again, clearly, in 2003 (On the Architecture
of Human Language), and defended why this was what he believed was the most
useful and robust model, looking back over 4 decades of his career. If you can
read this and continue to believe Halliday didn't surrender to Martin's view
because he loved his wife, good luck to you.
Instead of being emotional and feeling injured about it, the field is wide open
for some intellectual engagement with her arguments in this paper. If you think
she was wrong, write something scholarly about why.
Cheers
Annabelle
'there is no possibility of understanding these higher-level semiotic processes
except by attending to the lexicogrammatical processes of which they are
constituted. What is now urgent is that we should properly problematize the
fundamental relationship (recognized in post-Saussurean linguistics as
``realization'') that articulates these various levels of the semiotic act'
Halliday, M. A. K. 2003. The history of a sentence. In J. J. Webster (ed.), On
Language and Linguistics. Volume 3 in the Collected Works of M.A.K. Halliday,
355-374. London and New York: Continuum. p367
'When physical scientists comment on language, they often seem content to treat
it at the level of the eighth grade. To be fair to those scientists, this is
partly, I think, because they are aware that we - the linguists - have still
not cracked the code of systems of this fourth order of complexity, semiotic
systems. We do not yet fully understand the nature of our own fundamental
abstractions, those of realization and instantiation, nor the complex multiple
relationship that holds between them.'
Halliday, M. A. K. 2003. The Act of Meaning. In J. J. Webster (ed.), On
Language and Linguistics: Volume 3 in the Collected Works of M.A.K. Halliday,
375-389. London and New York: Continuum. p386
Hasan, R. 1995. The Conception of Context in Text. In P. H. Fries & M. Gregory
(eds.), Discourse in Society: Systemic Functional Perspectives, Meaning and
Choice in Language: Studies for Michael Halliday, 183-283. Norwood, New Jersey:
Ablex.
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Beautiful example, Mick!
Geoff
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