Hi Rob,
I agree with David.
When you say "We don't favor any
group specifically; we only document the product and its features."
I think you should favor the blind. In most of the tutorials written for
the blind to use software designed for the sighted like Microsoft Word, they
leave out most of the mouse movement techniques and rely on the keyboard
equivalents.
To include both would make a complicated manual even more so.
I think you should try to create a separate manual for Studio Recorder when
used by the blind which specifically gives those features and functions the
blind could use .
If someone wanted to know the sighted equivalents, they could just go back
to your combined manual.
Sincerely,
Phil
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Tanner" <David.Tanner@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <studiorecorder@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 1:47 PM
Subject: [studiorecorder] Re: New Exciting Beta Version
But, compairing the SoundForge manual and way they work isn't fair. After all the last time I checked American Printing House for the Blind was suppose to be developing products for use by the blind and accessible to the blind.
I don't have a problem with deleting a mark one place and inserting one somewhere else, but I am not ready to tell a company whose main mission is or should be making products that are accessible to blind people that it is alright to ignore keyboard equivelents and go for the mouse because that is what sighted people use. That attitude is not acceptible.
Sorry, I don't go for giving in to mouse users that easy when it comes to software designed by an agency that calls themselves American Printing House for the Blind.
And now I'll step down off the soap box.
David Tanner Rehabilitation Program Specialist 3 Assistive Technology Specialist Assistive Technology Department MN State Services f/t Blind Office- 651-642-0795 Cell- 651-270-2233 Skype name: dtat100
neal.ewers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 6/21/2006 8:47 AM >>>And one further point. People who are blind sometimes forget that there are other people in the world who see and who use the mouse. I happen to know a couple with low vision who use SR. True, they may lose enough of their vision at some point to need to use more of the keyboard commands, and they already use many of them. But, using the mouse for them, not to mention people who have normal vision, is a very normal thing to do. So, one would definitely point out ways to use SR with the mouse. If you really want to read a manual that is mouse crazy, try the Sound Forge manual. Yes, they have a lot of short cut keys, but for the most part, the manual is written for sighted users. So, in my opinion, SR has gone out of its way to make the manual easy to use by all people. I think that is a definite plus and not a minus.
Neal
-----Original Message----- From: studiorecorder-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:studiorecorder-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of ROB MEREDITH Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 8:10 AM To: studiorecorder@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [studiorecorder] Re: New Exciting Beta Version
Daveed:
Our manual is what it is, a manual for the product. We don't favor any group specifically; we only document the product and its features. If anything, we feel like we offer much more accessibility than any other wave editor, and it is all documented.
As for moving marks with the keyboard, this is not possible directly. The easiest thing to do is simply clear the mark, move to the place where you want it, and set a new one. This may sound like we are skirting the issue, but if you think about, designing an interface to move marks with the keyboard would be more complacated than just clearing the mark and creating one somewhere else. Can you imagine being in "mark move mode"? Sounds dreadful!
Rob Meredith
daveedm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 06/20/06 10:47PM >>>I still wish to plead, Rob, that you provide some explicit and clearer docs for keyboard-related stuff, as opposed to mouse girations. For instance, moving marks and selection are discussed
with the mouse, and one must dig to find keyboard equivalents. I still hyaven 't found the one for moving marks. Am I, what the British describe as daft or something?
I think you might also address how to make Studio Recorder as accessible as possible using screen readers. I realize the product
was first and foremost meant for sighted monitors and narrators, but since we blind folks have discovered a real hit with this product, I feel the docs could be significantly more blind-friendly. Now remember, I'm a big SR booster, so don't take me wrong here--but yours docs are very sight-oriented.
Take care.
--Daveed--At 12:30 PM 6/20/2006, you wrote:
quick,We try! We'll keep trying!
>>> curtis@xxxxxxxxxx 06/20/06 03:26PM >>> Holy Toledo! Rob, what an exciting product! I mean it really isinnovative, very stable compared to all others, and in all ways,easyto use, speech friendly (accessible with screen readers withgraphicsRules!only for those who want them), and surprisingly the interface is intuitively elligant.
Curtis Delzer
At 11:43 AM 6/20/2006, you wrote: >Yet another new feature graces Studio Recorder in this new beta release. >Well, actually two new features, but one big one. Resampling>(I'll let you read the What's New file for the other feature.) > >Rob Meredith
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