[studiorecorder] Re: Studio Recorder documentation
- From: "Mike" <mgpjcole@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <studiorecorder@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 17:47:21 -0700
I agree that APH has done great work for the blind. And the fact the public
who is
blind have found their way to APH for products like Studio Recorder and Bookport
means that APH has gone beyond its already fine work making materials
accessible and
available for people in school and adult rehab programs.
However, in the world of software development the idea gained credence that
software
need not have hard copy documentation. APH didn't invent the practice of lists
of
changes for updates on CD's or in websites. I think it was a self serving
notion by
many of the big software developers. No doubt it was a pain to update
documentation,
especially of the Braille variety. And software changes very fast.
I would like to understand and use studio recorder better. I have brailled the
manual
a couple of times. And you know, when I read through it, I completely
understand much
that I'm reading. Some things I haven't a clue about. It is a new way of
recording, a
new approach to editing, and because it's so good, we have the luxury to focus
on how
to make really good edits, really quiet recordings, really great mixes.
I'm going to need a friend to make recordings with or I'm going to have to be
taken
through a step by step learning curriculum or, sorry guys, I'm going to have to
read
a logical presentation of how to make studio recorder work. I would rather not
have
to wade through mouse stuff, but if it must be included, then I would like it
if it
could be separated out so I don't waste time with it.
In any case, I know APH could do up a fine braille manual or teaching
curriculum for
studio recorder, if anybody can. Rob's memorable pod cast on the Edirol R 1
convinced
me that there is a way to greater participation. I know about myself that
reading
stuff really helps me.
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: studiorecorder-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:studiorecorder-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Neal Ewers
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 12:42 PM
To: studiorecorder@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [studiorecorder] Re: Studio Recorder documentation
Phil, I am certainly not apposed to a two manual presentation if SR
wants to go that way. My previous message was written to state that I
thought APH was being unnecessarily picked on for ignoring the "Blind,"
which I do not think they have done.
Neal
-----Original Message-----
From: studiorecorder-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:studiorecorder-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Phil Vlasak
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 1:48 PM
To: studiorecorder@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [studiorecorder] Studio Recorder documentation
Hi Rob,
I agree with David.
When you say "We don't favor any
group specifically; we only document the product and its features." I
think you should favor the blind. In most of the tutorials written for
the blind to use software designed for the sighted like Microsoft Word,
they
leave out most of the mouse movement techniques and rely on the keyboard
equivalents.
To include both would make a complicated manual even more so.
I think you should try to create a separate manual for Studio Recorder
when
used by the blind which specifically gives those features and functions
the
blind could use .
If someone wanted to know the sighted equivalents, they could just go
back
to your combined manual.
Sincerely,
Phil
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Tanner" <David.Tanner@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <studiorecorder@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 1:47 PM
Subject: [studiorecorder] Re: New Exciting Beta Version
> But, compairing the SoundForge manual and way they work isn't fair.
> After all the last time I checked American Printing House for the
> Blind was suppose to be developing products for use by the blind and
> accessible to the blind.
>
> I don't have a problem with deleting a mark one place and inserting
> one somewhere else, but I am not ready to tell a company whose main
> mission is or should be making products that are accessible to blind
> people that it is alright to ignore keyboard equivelents and go for
> the mouse because that is what sighted people use. That attitude is
> not acceptible.
>
> Sorry, I don't go for giving in to mouse users that easy when it comes
> to software designed by an agency that calls themselves American
> Printing House for the Blind.
>
> And now I'll step down off the soap box.
>
>
>
> David Tanner
> Rehabilitation Program Specialist 3
> Assistive Technology Specialist
> Assistive Technology Department
> MN State Services f/t Blind
> Office- 651-642-0795 Cell- 651-270-2233
> Skype name: dtat100
>
>
>>>> neal.ewers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 6/21/2006 8:47 AM >>>
> And one further point. People who are blind sometimes forget that
> there are other people in the world who see and who use the mouse. I
> happen
> to know a couple with low vision who use SR. True, they may lose
> enough
> of their vision at some point to need to use more of the keyboard
> commands, and they already use many of them. But, using the mouse
> for
> them, not to mention people who have normal vision, is a very
> normal
> thing to do. So, one would definitely point out ways to use SR
> with the
> mouse. If you really want to read a manual that is mouse crazy,
> try the
> Sound Forge manual. Yes, they have a lot of short cut keys, but
> for the
> most part, the manual is written for sighted users. So, in my
> opinion,
> SR has gone out of its way to make the manual easy to use by all
> people.
> I think that is a definite plus and not a minus.
>
> Neal
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: studiorecorder-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:studiorecorder-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of ROB MEREDITH
> Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 8:10 AM
> To: studiorecorder@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [studiorecorder] Re: New Exciting Beta Version
>
>
> Daveed:
>
> Our manual is what it is, a manual for the product. We don't favor
> any
> group specifically; we only document the product and its features.
> If
> anything, we feel like we offer much more accessibility than any
> other
> wave editor, and it is all documented.
>
> As for moving marks with the keyboard, this is not possible
> directly.
> The easiest thing to do is simply clear the mark, move to the
> place
> where you want it, and set a new one. This may sound like we are
> skirting the issue, but if you think about, designing an interface
> to
> move marks with the keyboard would be more complacated than just
> clearing the mark and creating one somewhere else. Can you imagine
> being
> in "mark move mode"? Sounds dreadful!
>
> Rob Meredith
>
>>>> daveedm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 06/20/06 10:47PM >>>
> I still wish to plead, Rob, that you provide some explicit and
> clearer docs for keyboard-related stuff, as opposed to mouse
> girations. For instance, moving marks and selection are discussed
>
> with the mouse, and one must dig to find keyboard equivalents. I
> still hyaven 't found the one for moving marks. Am I, what the
> British describe as daft or something?
>
> I think you might also address how to make Studio Recorder as
> accessible as possible using screen readers. I realize the product
>
> was first and foremost meant for sighted monitors and narrators,
> but
> since we blind folks have discovered a real hit with this product,
> I
> feel the docs could be significantly more blind-friendly. Now
> remember, I'm a big SR booster, so don't take me wrong here--but
> yours docs are very sight-oriented.
>
> Take care.
>
> --Daveed--At 12:30 PM 6/20/2006, you wrote:
>
>>We try! We'll keep trying!
>>
>> >>> curtis@xxxxxxxxxx 06/20/06 03:26PM >>>
>>Holy Toledo! Rob, what an exciting product! I mean it really is
> quick,
>>innovative, very stable compared to all others, and in all ways,
> easy
>>to use, speech friendly (accessible with screen readers with
> graphics
>>only for those who want them), and surprisingly the interface is
>>intuitively elligant.
>>
>>
>>
>>Curtis Delzer
>>
>>
>>At 11:43 AM 6/20/2006, you wrote:
>> >Yet another new feature graces Studio Recorder in this new beta
>>release.
>> >Well, actually two new features, but one big one. Resampling
> Rules!
>> >(I'll let you read the What's New file for the other feature.)
>> >
>> >Rob Meredith
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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