There are a lot of problems with unfair hiring practices specifically as
it applies to some higher levels in various organizations. People try
to fix the issue, but until hearts and minds change, nothing is going to
change. You can't legislate or put rules in place that actually changes
hearts and minds.
I recently went through what I felt was sham interview for a job that I
knew I wasn't going to get. I almost didn't interview because I felt it
was all a sham. But I did it anyway, I took one for the team and as I
expected...I didn't get the job. For me, I honestly don't want a job
where I'm not the hiring managers choice. It just won't work. I'm sure
black NFL coaches don't really want to interview for a job they know
they aren't going to get because of what they feel about unfair hiring
practices.
I don't know how we get there, but until we do we'll be talking about
this forever.
Recall the conversations we had in the 90's about the lack of black
quarterbacks in the NFL? Well, I think the hearts and minds of coaches
and owners have changed regarding black qbs. So now no one really cares
any more. To me change occurred when I began to see more clipboard
carrying black qbs who will never start in the league. That is
progress!! Just let that sink in.
Gary
On 2/4/2022 8:46 AM, Joe Dies (oldsrocket455) wrote:
First of all, as always, when you go into detail about something, it is SO educational for me. I'm amazed at your insight into the sociology on this side of the ocean. You could change a handful of words and names below and be just as accurate about another topic like (say) Affirmative Action or diversity in Hollywood.
The tanking stuff (incentivized or not) is what gets me the most. Probably naive on my part, but I always thought shitty teams weren't intentionally playing to lose for higher draft position. Like when it comes right down to it, football guys just aren't wired that way. They were just... Shitty.
Oh, and... Possible power struggle between Hunt and Khan and possibly alienating (and maybe losing) both? Heh. Sounds like Cowher and Donahoe all over again.
Joe
On Fri, Feb 4, 2022 at 7:00 AM, David Reid
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
It’s not just about Flores or Ross, it’s about the last 30 years
of black coaches interviewing for head coaching jobs. Back in 1992
when Noll retired, the Steelers gave an interview to Joe Greene,
not because he was a candidate with a chance of getting the job,
but out of courtesy to him, before giving the job to Bill Cowher.
There are countless similar stories and I think so many black
assistant coaches who have interviewed for head coaching jobs are
now so finely tuned to what is a legitimate opportunity and what
is a sham interview that it’s plain for all the world to see and
finally, Brian Flores has had the guts to call the owners out on it.
I had a conversation with someone last Wednesday who was 100%
convinced that the Giants job was Brian Daboll’s whilst interviews
were still happening and this seemed to be common knowledge which
was born out in the Belichick-Flores text exchange and when the
fix is in like that, when the last two winning offensive
co-ordinators in Super Bowls are further away from a head coaching
job than Josh McCown who has never even coached at the college or
pro level, when in Dallas all you hear about is Kellen Moore,
whilst Joe Whitt is waiting in the wings still to become a
co-ordinator, then something is seriously wrong. And black coaches
who do get fired never seem to get another opportunity either, in
fact, the firing of Flores in Miami was seen by many as so
egregious, that it led to him getting consideration for jobs that
he wouldn’t get normally, which is rare. This is a process where
the qualifications, track record and experience of black coaches
are ignored routinely when compared to those attributes in white
coaches who are hired ahead of them. The Giants hiring of Joe
Judge over Eric Bieniemy being one of many examples. The firing of
David Culley this year, the blackballing of Jim Caldwell despite
him having a winning record in Detroit of all places are others.
Fundamentally, black coaches are not on the same level playing
field as white coaches and that has to change.
As for the tanking stuff, it’s been happening for years, maybe not
the incentivisation aspect of it, but it’s been happening, it’s
just that people are blowing the whistle now.
Notes on the GM search…… there seems to be a split in house,
Tomlin wants Brandon Hunt as the next GM, whilst Colbert wants
Omar Khan and Art Rooney isn’t enamoured with either (according to
DK Pittsburgh Sports) - but I’d heard the job share rumours being
floated as well with each man having ultimate responsibility for
their current areas of expertise and no direct replacement for
Colbert being installed. This could get very interesting,
especially if they do start looking seriously at external
candidates with no Pittsburgh ties. If someone comes in ahead of
Hunt and Khan, do they leave when Colbert leaves? The Steelers
could be creating a power struggle here….
On 3 Feb 2022, at 19:14, Joe Dies ("oldsrocket455")
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Not arguing with you at all, but *why* do you believe every word
of it? Something about Flores' or Ross' integrity?
Joe
On Tuesday, February 1, 2022, 05:34:10 PM EST, David Reid
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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I’ve read it and I believe every word of it.
Flores interviewed with the Texans yesterday and napalms them for
their treatment of David Culley today. He knows his career might
be over now, but my goodness he says what needed to be said.
Steeler fans: be thankful that the last time the Steelers were in
need of a coach, they cast the net as far and wide as possible,
were open minded and curious and recognised that there was
something special about the DC of the Vikings with only one year
of co-ordinate experience. They did it right and hardly anyone
has done it right since.
Sent from my iPhone
> On 1 Feb 2022, at 21:04, Steve Rhoton <sprhoto@xxxxxxxxx
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