[sparkscoffee] Re: (no subject)

  • From: Dry Turtles <dryturtles@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 08:54:46 -0700

RF,

Great point about being responsible for what a forum member posts here on
SCB.

I am surprised that a Radio Officer would use the excuse. "I just report
this stuff"
Are not RO's known for accuracy which would carry over into all aspects of
our
life ?

Scotty


On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 9:39 PM, Richard Freedland <richardfl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> wrote:

> RR,
>
> DR didn't just do "good work," he did *excellent* work, demonstrating
> (once again) that your posts should be taken with a very large grain of
> salt.  Saying "I just report this stuff" doesn't cut it as an excuse.
>  Didn't it occur to you that a completely unexpected closure of a major
> Panamanian bank would get some mention in at least one respected financial
> newspaper, like The Wall Street Journal?  The fact that it didn't should
> have given you pause.
>
> It's well known that the Internet is replete with garbage masquerading as
> news.  You just proved it again.  Your credibility is going down the toilet.
>
> 73,
>
> Richard Freedland
> Miami
>
> People like you make me want to puke."
>    - Ron Ristad, September 24, 2013
>
>
> Sent from my iPad.
>
> On Sep 29, 2013, at 11:29 PM, Ron Ristad <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> DR,
> Good work. Most likely the American ex-pats who reported it don't read the
> Spainish
> newspapers so it was a shock to them when they went to the bank and it was
> closed. A 5 day bank holiday is very unusual.
>
> -RR
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "D.J.J. Ring, Jr." **
> Sent: Sep 29, 2013 7:40 PM
> To: "sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" **
> Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: (no subject)
>
> The Internet Archive used the current jpg that was there.
>
> Evidentially it is a rotating link, they just put different information
> there.
>
> Here is what the archived link of the notice is
>
> http://web.archive.org/liveweb/https://www.banconal.com.pa/images/stories/slideshow/slide6.jpg
>
> Notice that it says liveweb.
>
> That was my error.  I found other links and I will give them before, but I
> thought the Internet Archive would be a good accepted source.  I didn't
> know they got current pictures but old text.  My error, I apologize.
>
>
> So let's go for more evidence that the bank notified its customers
>
> Here is the google cache of this page for September 23, 2013.
>
> I almost got caught by Google Cache giving me the current jpg - which they
> did but there is an option for TEXT only.
>
>
> http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:https://www.banconal.com.pa/&strip=1
>
> Fortunately for me :-) the text version also announces the closure giving
> a date of the announcement of 17 September - which
>
> Noticias
>  17
> Sep
>   Banconal suspenderá servicios en todo el 
> país<https://www.banconal.com.pa/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=17%3A2013-09-17-20-46-39&catid=12%3Anoticias&Itemid=46&lang=es>
>   15
> Ago
>   Banconal innova su servicio de Banca en Línea con su BNP 
> TokenMóvil<https://www.banconal.com.pa/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=16%3A2013-06-05-14-19-34&catid=12%3Anoticias&Itemid=46&lang=es>
>   15
> Ago
>   Banconal aumenta desembolsos y baja 
> morosidad<https://www.banconal.com.pa/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=56%3A2013-07-23-13-01-52&catid=12%3Anoticias&Itemid=46&lang=es>
>
>
> In addition from the 16th and onward there is discussion about the closure
> from 27 to 30 September 2013 about the scheduled AND ANNOUNCED closure here.
>
> http://tuopinas.org/de/Banco+Nacional+de+Panama/
>
>
>
>
> 18 Sep 2013     23:46
> Exposición del Quinto concurso Nacional de Artistas Noveles 2013,Banco
> Nacional de Panamá,
>   <http://tuopinas.org/de/Banco+Nacional+de+Panama/#>
>  <http://t.co/m6binl79mI>
> r
> 17 Sep 2013     17:09
> Banco Nacional anuncia suspensión de servicios El Banco Nacional de Panamá
> anunció la suspensión de sus servicios ...
>   <http://tuopinas.org/de/Banco+Nacional+de+Panama/#>
> r
> 16 Sep 2013     23:18
> Banco Nacional de Panamá cerrará del 27 al 30 de septiembre; piden tomar
> las previsiones del caso. Detalles con
>   <http://tuopinas.org/de/Banco+Nacional+de+Panama/#>
> r
> 16 Sep 2013     11:56
> Del 27 al 30 de septiembre Banco Nacional de Panamá cerrará sucursales
> para actualizar su plataforma tecnológica
>   <http://tuopinas.org/de/Banco+Nacional+de+Panama/#>
>  <http://t.co/Jip3zj8ZEV>
> r
> 16 Sep 2013     11:47
> critica El Banco Nacional de Panamá informa que el próximo viernes 27 de
> septiembre todas sus sucursal... Panama
>
> Also here is the bank announcement dated
>
>
> https://www.banconal.com.pa/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=17%3A2013-09-17-20-46-39&catid=12%3Anoticias&Itemid=46&lang=es
>
> You just keep circulating crap around and around RR, give it a rest.
>
> i bet if I could produce a newspaper from Panama City dated last week with
> the announcement in it, you'd attempt to say it wasn't so so that your
> information could be right.
>
> RR, your delusions are getting worse as time goes on.
>
> 73
>
> DR
>
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 9:01 PM, Ron Ristad <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> DR,
>> Obviously you can't read Spanish.  The web page that you claim was posted
>> on On July 23, 2013 is show below:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Translation:
>> "Services Suspended
>>
>> The National Bank of Panama informs that from* next Friday*, September
>> 27 all branches in the country will be open
>> only until 12:00 noon. In addition, Saturday the 28th and Monday the 30th
>> of September our brances will be closed.
>> Our ATM's, the use of Banconal credit cards at points of sale, and online
>> and telephone bank services will be out of
>> service Saturday the 28th and Sunday the 29th of September."
>>
>> How could this notice have been posted in on July 23 when it says "*next
>> Friday*, September 27th"?
>>
>> The point being that bank holidays are a very rare event that are almost
>> always followed by
>> something bad happening.
>>
>> Note that in Cyprus they gave the same notice but the banks did not open
>> up again when they said
>> they would.
>>
>> Banks never announce a bank holiday in advance. The reason being is that
>> it would create a run on
>> the bank as people rush to withdraw money all at the same time.
>>
>> -RR
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>> From: "D.J.J. Ring, Jr." **
>> Sent: Sep 29, 2013 6:10 PM
>> To: "sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" **
>> Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: (no subject)
>>
>> It is preserved on the Internet Archive.
>>
>> http://web.archive.org/web/20130525155547/https://www.banconal.com.pa/
>>
>> That was what was there on July 23, 2013.
>>
>> See for yourself.  It was even there earlier as early as May 8, 2013.
>> http://web.archive.org/web/20130525155547*/https://www.banconal.com.pa/
>>
>> There is 75 banks in Panama.
>>
>>
>> http://www.panamaforum.com/panama-banks/9372-panama-banks-complete-list.html
>>
>>
>> *How many banks are there in Panama?* Some publications say more than
>> 100, others more than 200. But in reality there are "only" 75 banks in
>> Panama. That number includes:
>>
>>    - * 2 *official government owned banks.
>>    - * 41* banks with a General (Full) Banking License. These banks are
>>    Class A banks authorized to do business with clients from all over the
>>    world, including Panama.
>>    - * 36* banks with an International (Offshore) Banking License. These
>>    banks are Class B banks authorized to do business with clients from all
>>    over the world, not including Panama.
>>
>> Note: 4 banks have both a General and International Banking License.
>> Therefore the total number is only 75.
>>
>>  The problem with Internet is people post garbage all over the place.
>>
>> Of course maybe the Jews did it.
>>
>> 73
>>
>> DR
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 7:51 PM, Ron Ristad <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> DR,
>>> Where did you hear the notice was put there before it happened?
>>> That is not what other sources are saying.
>>>
>>> As for being only one bank, it is the only Panamanian bank in
>>> Panama. The only banks that were closed in Cyprus were the
>>> two Cyprus banks, as were the only banks that were closed in
>>> 1933 by FDR were American banks.
>>>
>>> -RR
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: "D.J.J. Ring, Jr." **
>>> Sent: Sep 29, 2013 5:42 PM
>>> To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: (no subject)
>>>
>>> It was up there before it happened, and it only one bank of dozens in
>>> Panama.
>>>
>>> DR
>>> On Sep 29, 2013 7:38 PM, "Ron Ristad" <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>> What are you talking about?  The bank's web site is one of the links
>>>> that I gave.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: "D.J.J. Ring, Jr." **
>>>> Sent: Sep 29, 2013 5:20 PM
>>>> To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: (no subject)
>>>>
>>>> Not true. Look at the bank's web site.
>>>>
>>>> DR
>>>> On Sep 29, 2013 6:56 PM, "Ron Ristad" <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> DR,**
>>>>> "The National Bank of Panama did not warn the people before making the
>>>>> announcement and shutting down the banks."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.maxkeiser.com/2013/09/breaking-panama-announces-5-day-bank-holiday-bail-in-imminent/
>>>>> http://news.goldseek.com/GoldSeek/1380224271.php
>>>>> https://www.banconal.com.pa/index.php
>>>>>
>>>>> There's no call to insult me. I just report this stuff.
>>>>> *
>>>>> *-RR
>>>>>
>>>>> Read more at
>>>>> http://www.maxkeiser.com/2013/09/breaking-panama-announces-5-day-bank-holiday-bail-in-imminent/#GkbDqI5zpWqMpZ3d.99
>>>>> *The National Bank of Panama did not warn the people before making
>>>>> the announcement and shutting down the banks*.
>>>>> Read more at
>>>>> http://www.maxkeiser.com/2013/09/breaking-panama-announces-5-day-bank-holiday-bail-in-imminent/#GkbDqI5zpWqMpZ3d.99
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: "D.J.J. Ring, Jr." **
>>>>> Sent: Sep 29, 2013 4:39 PM
>>>>> To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: (no subject)
>>>>>
>>>>> Panama didn't announce a bank holiday, only Banco National did and
>>>>> they announced it a week in advance.
>>>>>
>>>>> RR, do you smoke marijuana, unfortunately many overlook its
>>>>> relationship to mental illnesses, very serious ones.
>>>>>
>>>>> It creates changes in thinking which leads to changing of beliefs
>>>>> which are no longer based on reality.
>>>>>
>>>>> 73
>>>>>
>>>>> DR
>>>>>  On Sep 29, 2013 1:16 PM, "Ron Ristad" <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Panama announced a bank holiday Friday afternoon. This is the same
>>>>>> thing
>>>>>> they did in Cyprus before they seized depositer's money and the same
>>>>>> thing
>>>>>> President Roosevelt did in 1933.  Like Cyprus, all ATM machines have
>>>>>> been
>>>>>> shut down.  This is why I have started keeping a goodly amount of
>>>>>> cash on
>>>>>> hand, and why a whole generation of Americans kept money in their
>>>>>> matresses.  History repeats itself.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.dailypaul.com/300700/firsthand-update-on-panama-bank-holiday
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -RR
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "It is precisely because we are not communists that we can use their 
>>>>>> methods."
>>>>>> -President Barack Obama
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  **
>>>>>
>>>>> "It is precisely because we are not communists that we can use their 
>>>>> methods."
>>>>> -President Barack Obama
>>>>>
>>>>>  **
>>>>
>>>> "It is precisely because we are not communists that we can use their 
>>>> methods."
>>>> -President Barack Obama
>>>>
>>>>  **
>>>
>>> "It is precisely because we are not communists that we can use their 
>>> methods."
>>> -President Barack Obama
>>>
>>>
>> ****
>>
>> "It is precisely because we are not communists that we can use their 
>> methods."
>> -President Barack Obama
>>
>>
> ****
>
> "It is precisely because we are not communists that we can use their methods."
> -President Barack Obama
>
>

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