[sparkscoffee] Re: (no subject)

From: Sblumen123@xxxxxxx
To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 10:56:09 -0400 (EDT)
Richard
Doesn't RR make you want to puke?
 
Comrade B
 
 
In a message dated 9/30/2013 12:39:56 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
richardfl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:

RR,


DR didn't just do "good work," he  did excellent work, demonstrating (once 
again) that your posts  should be taken with a very large grain of salt.  
Saying "I just report  this stuff" doesn't cut it as an excuse.  Didn't it 
occur to you that a  completely unexpected closure of a major Panamanian bank 
would get some  mention in at least one respected financial newspaper, like 
The Wall Street  Journal?  The fact that it didn't should have given you 
pause.  


It's well known that the Internet  is replete with garbage masquerading as 
news.  You just proved it  again.  Your credibility is going down the toilet.


73,


Richard Freedland
Miami


People like  you make me want to puke."  
 - Ron Ristad, September 24, 2013




Sent from my iPad.

On Sep 29, 2013, at 11:29 PM,  Ron Ristad <_ristad@sprynet.com_ 
(mailto:ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx) >  wrote:



 DR,
Good  work. Most likely the American ex-pats who reported it don't read the 
 Spainish
newspapers so it was a shock to them when they went to the bank  and it was
closed. A 5 day bank holiday is very  unusual.

-RR

-----Original  Message----- 
From: "D.J.J. Ring, Jr." 
Sent: Sep 29,  2013 7:40 PM 
To: "_sparkscoffee@freelists.org_ (mailto:sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx) "  
Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: (no subject)  


 
 
The Internet Archive used the current jpg that was  there.


Evidentially it is a rotating link, they just put  different information 
there.


Here is what the archived link of the notice is
http://web.archive.org/liveweb/https://www.banconal.com.pa/images/stories/sl
ideshow/slide6.jpg


Notice that it says liveweb.


That was my error.  I found other links and I will give them  before, but I 
thought the Internet Archive would be a good accepted  source.  I didn't 
know they got current pictures but old text.   My error, I apologize.



So let's go for more evidence that the bank notified its  customers


Here is the google cache of this page for September 23,  2013.


I almost got caught by Google Cache giving me the current jpg - which  they 
did but there is an option for TEXT only.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:https://www.banconal.co
m.pa/&strip=1


Fortunately for me :-) the text version also announces the closure  giving 
a date of the announcement of 17 September - which 

Noticias

 
 
17  
Sep 



_Banconal suspenderá servicios en todo el país_ 
(https://www.banconal.com.pa/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=17:2013-09-17-20-46-39&catid=1
2:noticias&Itemid=46&lang=es)  

 
 
15  
Ago 



_Banconal innova su servicio de Banca en Línea con su BNP  TokenMóvil_ 
(https://www.banconal.com.pa/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=16:2013
-06-05-14-19-34&catid=12:noticias&Itemid=46&lang=es)  

 
 
15  
Ago 



_Banconal aumenta desembolsos y baja morosidad_ 
(https://www.banconal.com.pa/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=56:2013-07-23-13-01-52&catid=1
2:noticias&Itemid=46&lang=es)   





In addition from the 16th and onward there is discussion about the  closure 
from 27 to 30 September 2013 about the scheduled AND ANNOUNCED  closure 
here.

http://tuopinas.org/de/Banco+Nacional+de+Panama/







18 Sep 2013     23:46
Exposición del  Quinto concurso Nacional de Artistas Noveles 2013,Banco 
Nacional de  Panamá,
  (http://tuopinas.org/de/Banco+Nacional+de+Panama/#)  
 (http://t.co/m6binl79mI) 
r
17 Sep 2013     17:09
Banco Nacional  anuncia suspensión de servicios El Banco Nacional de Panamá 
anunció  la suspensión de sus servicios ...
  (http://tuopinas.org/de/Banco+Nacional+de+Panama/#)  
r
16 Sep 2013     23:18
Banco Nacional de  Panamá cerrará del 27 al 30 de septiembre; piden tomar 
las  previsiones del caso. Detalles con
  (http://tuopinas.org/de/Banco+Nacional+de+Panama/#)  
r
16 Sep 2013     11:56
Del 27 al 30 de  septiembre Banco Nacional de Panamá cerrará sucursales 
para  actualizar su plataforma tecnológica
  (http://tuopinas.org/de/Banco+Nacional+de+Panama/#)  
 (http://t.co/Jip3zj8ZEV) 
r
16 Sep 2013     11:47
critica El Banco  Nacional de Panamá informa que el próximo viernes 27 de 
septiembre  todas sus sucursal... Panama


 
 
 
 
Also here is the bank announcement dated 

_https://www.banconal.com.pa/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=17
%3A2013-09-17-20-46-39&catid=12%3Anoticias&Itemid=46&lang=es_ 
(https://www.banconal.com.pa/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=17:2013-09-17-20
-46-39&catid=12:noticias&Itemid=46&lang=es) 



You just keep circulating crap around and around  RR, give it a rest.


i bet if I could produce a newspaper from Panama  City dated last week with 
the announcement in it, you'd attempt to say it  wasn't so so that your 
information could be right.


RR, your delusions are getting worse as time goes  on.


73


DR





On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 9:01 PM, Ron Ristad <_ristad@sprynet.com_ 
(mailto:ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx) > wrote:

DR,
Obviously you can't read Spanish.  The  web page that you claim was posted
on On July 23, 2013 is show  below:





Translation:
"Services Suspended

The  National Bank of Panama informs that from next Friday, September  27 
all branches in the country will be open
only until 12:00 noon. In  addition, Saturday the 28th and Monday the 30th 
of September our brances  will be closed.
Our ATM's, the use of Banconal credit cards at points  of sale, and online 
and telephone bank services will be out  of
service Saturday the 28th and Sunday the 29th of  September."

How could this notice have been posted in on July 23  when it says "next 
Friday, September 27th"?

The point  being that bank holidays are a very rare event that are almost 
always  followed by
something bad happening.

Note that in Cyprus they  gave the same notice but the banks did not open 
up again when they  said
they would.

Banks never announce a bank holiday in  advance. The reason being is that 
it would create a run on
the bank  as people rush to withdraw money all at the same  time.

-RR

-----Original Message----- 

From:  "D.J.J. Ring, Jr." 
Sent: Sep 29, 2013 6:10 PM 
To: "_sparkscoffee@freelists.org_ (mailto:sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx) " 
Subject:  [sparkscoffee] Re: (no subject) 


 
 
 
 
It is preserved on the Internet Archive.

http://web.archive.org/web/20130525155547/https://www.banconal.com.pa/


That  was what was there on July 23, 2013.


See for yourself.  It was even there earlier as early as May  8, 2013.
http://web.archive.org/web/20130525155547*/https://www.banconal.com.pa/



There is 75 banks in Panama.

http://www.panamaforum.com/panama-banks/9372-panama-banks-complete-list.html


How  many banks are there in Panama? Some publications say more than  100, 
others more than 200. But in reality there are "only" 75 banks in  Panama. 
That number includes:  
    *   2 official government owned banks.  
    *   41 banks with a General (Full) Banking License. These  banks are 
Class A banks authorized to do business with clients from  all over the world, 
including Panama.  
    *   36 banks with an International (Offshore) Banking  License. These 
banks are Class B banks authorized to do business  with clients from all over 
the world, not including  Panama.
Note: 4 banks have both a General and International  Banking License. 
Therefore the total number is only  75.


The problem with Internet is people post  garbage all over the place.


Of course maybe the Jews did  it.


73


DR




On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 7:51 PM, Ron Ristad  <_ristad@sprynet.com_ 
(mailto:ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx) > wrote:

DR,
Where did you hear the notice was put  there before it happened?
That is not what other sources are  saying.

As for being only one bank, it is the only Panamanian  bank in
Panama. The only banks that were closed in Cyprus were  the
two Cyprus banks, as were the only banks that were closed  in
1933 by FDR were American  banks.

-RR

-----Original  Message----- 
From: "D.J.J. Ring, Jr." 
Sent: Sep 29,  2013 5:42 PM 
To: _sparkscoffee@freelists.org_ (mailto:sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx)  
Subject:  [sparkscoffee] Re: (no subject) 

It was up there before it happened, and it only one bank of  dozens in 
Panama. 
DR 
On Sep 29, 2013 7:38 PM, "Ron Ristad"  <_ristad@sprynet.com_ 
(mailto:ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx) > wrote:

What are you talking about?   The bank's web site is one of the links  that 
I gave.

-----Original  Message----- 
From: "D.J.J. Ring, Jr." 
Sent: Sep  29, 2013 5:20 PM 
To: _sparkscoffee@freelists.org_ (mailto:sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx)  
Subject:  [sparkscoffee] Re: (no subject) 

Not true. Look at the bank's web site. 
DR 
On Sep 29, 2013 6:56 PM, "Ron Ristad"  <_ristad@sprynet.com_ 
(mailto:ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx) > wrote:

DR,
"The National Bank of Panama did not warn the people  before making the 
announcement and shutting down the  banks."

http://www.maxkeiser.com/2013/09/breaking-panama-announces-5-day-bank-holida
y-bail-in-imminent/
http://news.goldseek.com/GoldSeek/1380224271.php
https://www.banconal.com.pa/index.php

There's  no call to insult me. I just report this  stuff.

-RR

Read  more at 
http://www.maxkeiser.com/2013/09/breaking-panama-announces-5-day-bank-holiday-bail-in-imminent/#GkbDqI5zpWqMpZ3d.99
The  National Bank of Panama did not warn the people before  making the 
announcement and shutting down the  banks.
Read more at 
http://www.maxkeiser.com/2013/09/breaking-panama-announces-5-day-bank-holiday-bail-in-imminent/#GkbDqI5zpWqMpZ3d.99

-----Original  Message----- 
From: "D.J.J. Ring, Jr." 
Sent:  Sep 29, 2013 4:39 PM 
To: _sparkscoffee@freelists.org_ (mailto:sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx)  
Subject:  [sparkscoffee] Re: (no subject) 

Panama didn't announce a bank holiday, only Banco  National did and they 
announced it a week in advance. 
RR, do you smoke marijuana, unfortunately many overlook  its relationship 
to mental illnesses, very serious  ones. 
It creates changes in thinking which leads to changing  of beliefs which 
are no longer based on reality. 
73 
DR
On Sep 29, 2013 1:16 PM, "Ron  Ristad" <_ristad@sprynet.com_ 
(mailto:ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx) > wrote:

Panama announced a bank  holiday Friday afternoon. This is the same  thing
they did in Cyprus before they  seized depositer's money and the same  thing
President Roosevelt did in  1933.  Like Cyprus, all ATM machines  have been
shut  down.  This is why I have started  keeping a goodly amount of cash  on
hand, and why a whole  generation of Americans kept money in their
matresses.   History repeats itself. 

http://www.dailypaul.com/300700/firsthand-update-on-panama-bank-holiday

-RR

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