[sparkscoffee] Re: (no subject)

  • From: Richard Freedland <richardfl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: "sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 00:39:53 -0400

RR,

DR didn't just do "good work," he did excellent work, demonstrating (once 
again) that your posts should be taken with a very large grain of salt.  Saying 
"I just report this stuff" doesn't cut it as an excuse.  Didn't it occur to you 
that a completely unexpected closure of a major Panamanian bank would get some 
mention in at least one respected financial newspaper, like The Wall Street 
Journal?  The fact that it didn't should have given you pause.  

It's well known that the Internet is replete with garbage masquerading as news. 
 You just proved it again.  Your credibility is going down the toilet.

73,

Richard Freedland
Miami

People like you make me want to puke."
   - Ron Ristad, September 24, 2013


Sent from my iPad.

On Sep 29, 2013, at 11:29 PM, Ron Ristad <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> DR,
> Good work. Most likely the American ex-pats who reported it don't read the 
> Spainish
> newspapers so it was a shock to them when they went to the bank and it was
> closed. A 5 day bank holiday is very unusual.
> 
> -RR
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: "D.J.J. Ring, Jr." 
> Sent: Sep 29, 2013 7:40 PM 
> To: "sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" 
> Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: (no subject) 
> 
> The Internet Archive used the current jpg that was there.
> 
> Evidentially it is a rotating link, they just put different information there.
> 
> Here is what the archived link of the notice is
> http://web.archive.org/liveweb/https://www.banconal.com.pa/images/stories/slideshow/slide6.jpg
> 
> Notice that it says liveweb.
> 
> That was my error.  I found other links and I will give them before, but I 
> thought the Internet Archive would be a good accepted source.  I didn't know 
> they got current pictures but old text.  My error, I apologize.
> 
> 
> So let's go for more evidence that the bank notified its customers
> 
> Here is the google cache of this page for September 23, 2013.
> 
> I almost got caught by Google Cache giving me the current jpg - which they 
> did but there is an option for TEXT only.
> 
> http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:https://www.banconal.com.pa/&strip=1
> 
> Fortunately for me :-) the text version also announces the closure giving a 
> date of the announcement of 17 September - which 
> 
> Noticias
> 
> 17
> Sep
> Banconal suspenderá servicios en todo el país
> 15
> Ago
> Banconal innova su servicio de Banca en Línea con su BNP TokenMóvil
> 15
> Ago
> Banconal aumenta desembolsos y baja morosidad
> 
> 
> In addition from the 16th and onward there is discussion about the closure 
> from 27 to 30 September 2013 about the scheduled AND ANNOUNCED closure here.
> 
> http://tuopinas.org/de/Banco+Nacional+de+Panama/
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 18 Sep 2013     23:46
> Exposición del Quinto concurso Nacional de Artistas Noveles 2013,Banco 
> Nacional de Panamá,
>  
>  
> r
> 17 Sep 2013     17:09
> Banco Nacional anuncia suspensión de servicios El Banco Nacional de Panamá 
> anunció la suspensión de sus servicios ...
>  
> r
> 16 Sep 2013     23:18
> Banco Nacional de Panamá cerrará del 27 al 30 de septiembre; piden tomar las 
> previsiones del caso. Detalles con
>  
> r
> 16 Sep 2013     11:56
> Del 27 al 30 de septiembre Banco Nacional de Panamá cerrará sucursales para 
> actualizar su plataforma tecnológica
>  
>  
> r
> 16 Sep 2013     11:47
> critica El Banco Nacional de Panamá informa que el próximo viernes 27 de 
> septiembre todas sus sucursal... Panama
> 
> Also here is the bank announcement dated 
> 
> https://www.banconal.com.pa/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=17%3A2013-09-17-20-46-39&catid=12%3Anoticias&Itemid=46&lang=es
> 
> You just keep circulating crap around and around RR, give it a rest.
> 
> i bet if I could produce a newspaper from Panama City dated last week with 
> the announcement in it, you'd attempt to say it wasn't so so that your 
> information could be right.
> 
> RR, your delusions are getting worse as time goes on.
> 
> 73
> 
> DR
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 9:01 PM, Ron Ristad <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> DR,
>> Obviously you can't read Spanish.  The web page that you claim was posted
>> on On July 23, 2013 is show below:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Translation:
>> "Services Suspended
>> 
>> The National Bank of Panama informs that from next Friday, September 27 all 
>> branches in the country will be open
>> only until 12:00 noon. In addition, Saturday the 28th and Monday the 30th of 
>> September our brances will be closed.
>> Our ATM's, the use of Banconal credit cards at points of sale, and online 
>> and telephone bank services will be out of
>> service Saturday the 28th and Sunday the 29th of September."
>> 
>> How could this notice have been posted in on July 23 when it says "next 
>> Friday, September 27th"?
>> 
>> The point being that bank holidays are a very rare event that are almost 
>> always followed by
>> something bad happening.
>> 
>> Note that in Cyprus they gave the same notice but the banks did not open up 
>> again when they said
>> they would.
>> 
>> Banks never announce a bank holiday in advance. The reason being is that it 
>> would create a run on
>> the bank as people rush to withdraw money all at the same time.
>> 
>> -RR
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- 
>> From: "D.J.J. Ring, Jr." 
>> Sent: Sep 29, 2013 6:10 PM 
>> To: "sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" 
>> Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: (no subject) 
>> 
>> It is preserved on the Internet Archive.
>> 
>> http://web.archive.org/web/20130525155547/https://www.banconal.com.pa/
>> 
>> That was what was there on July 23, 2013.
>> 
>> See for yourself.  It was even there earlier as early as May 8, 2013.
>> http://web.archive.org/web/20130525155547*/https://www.banconal.com.pa/
>> 
>> There is 75 banks in Panama.
>> 
>> http://www.panamaforum.com/panama-banks/9372-panama-banks-complete-list.html
>> 
>> 
>> How many banks are there in Panama? Some publications say more than 100, 
>> others more than 200. But in reality there are "only" 75 banks in Panama. 
>> That number includes:
>> 2 official government owned banks.
>> 41 banks with a General (Full) Banking License. These banks are Class A 
>> banks authorized to do business with clients from all over the world, 
>> including Panama.
>> 36 banks with an International (Offshore) Banking License. These banks are 
>> Class B banks authorized to do business with clients from all over the 
>> world, not including Panama.
>> Note: 4 banks have both a General and International Banking License. 
>> Therefore the total number is only 75.
>> 
>>  The problem with Internet is people post garbage all over the place.
>> 
>> Of course maybe the Jews did it.
>> 
>> 73
>> 
>> DR
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 7:51 PM, Ron Ristad <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> DR,
>>> Where did you hear the notice was put there before it happened?
>>> That is not what other sources are saying.
>>> 
>>> As for being only one bank, it is the only Panamanian bank in
>>> Panama. The only banks that were closed in Cyprus were the
>>> two Cyprus banks, as were the only banks that were closed in
>>> 1933 by FDR were American banks.
>>> 
>>> -RR
>>> -----Original Message----- 
>>> From: "D.J.J. Ring, Jr." 
>>> Sent: Sep 29, 2013 5:42 PM 
>>> To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>>> Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: (no subject) 
>>> 
>>> It was up there before it happened, and it only one bank of dozens in 
>>> Panama.
>>> DR
>>> On Sep 29, 2013 7:38 PM, "Ron Ristad" <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> What are you talking about?  The bank's web site is one of the links that 
>>>> I gave.
>>>> -----Original Message----- 
>>>> From: "D.J.J. Ring, Jr." 
>>>> Sent: Sep 29, 2013 5:20 PM 
>>>> To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>>>> Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: (no subject) 
>>>> 
>>>> Not true. Look at the bank's web site.
>>>> DR
>>>> On Sep 29, 2013 6:56 PM, "Ron Ristad" <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>> DR,
>>>>> "The National Bank of Panama did not warn the people before making the 
>>>>> announcement and shutting down the banks."
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://www.maxkeiser.com/2013/09/breaking-panama-announces-5-day-bank-holiday-bail-in-imminent/
>>>>> http://news.goldseek.com/GoldSeek/1380224271.php
>>>>> https://www.banconal.com.pa/index.php
>>>>> 
>>>>> There's no call to insult me. I just report this stuff.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -RR
>>>>> 
>>>>> Read more at 
>>>>> http://www.maxkeiser.com/2013/09/breaking-panama-announces-5-day-bank-holiday-bail-in-imminent/#GkbDqI5zpWqMpZ3d.99
>>>>> The National Bank of Panama did not warn the people before making the 
>>>>> announcement and shutting down the banks.
>>>>> Read more at 
>>>>> http://www.maxkeiser.com/2013/09/breaking-panama-announces-5-day-bank-holiday-bail-in-imminent/#GkbDqI5zpWqMpZ3d.99
>>>>> -----Original Message----- 
>>>>> From: "D.J.J. Ring, Jr." 
>>>>> Sent: Sep 29, 2013 4:39 PM 
>>>>> To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>>>>> Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: (no subject) 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Panama didn't announce a bank holiday, only Banco National did and they 
>>>>> announced it a week in advance.
>>>>> RR, do you smoke marijuana, unfortunately many overlook its relationship 
>>>>> to mental illnesses, very serious ones.
>>>>> It creates changes in thinking which leads to changing of beliefs which 
>>>>> are no longer based on reality.
>>>>> 73
>>>>> DR
>>>>> On Sep 29, 2013 1:16 PM, "Ron Ristad" <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>> Panama announced a bank holiday Friday afternoon. This is the same thing
>>>>>> they did in Cyprus before they seized depositer's money and the same 
>>>>>> thing
>>>>>> President Roosevelt did in 1933.  Like Cyprus, all ATM machines have been
>>>>>> shut down.  This is why I have started keeping a goodly amount of cash on
>>>>>> hand, and why a whole generation of Americans kept money in their
>>>>>> matresses.  History repeats itself. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> http://www.dailypaul.com/300700/firsthand-update-on-panama-bank-holiday
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -RR
>>>>>> "It is precisely because we are not communists that we can use their 
>>>>>> methods." 
>>>>>> -President Barack Obama
>>>>> 
>>>>> "It is precisely because we are not communists that we can use their 
>>>>> methods." 
>>>>> -President Barack Obama
>>>> 
>>>> "It is precisely because we are not communists that we can use their 
>>>> methods." 
>>>> -President Barack Obama
>>> 
>>> "It is precisely because we are not communists that we can use their 
>>> methods." 
>>> -President Barack Obama
>> 
>> "It is precisely because we are not communists that we can use their 
>> methods." 
>> -President Barack Obama
> 
> 
> "It is precisely because we are not communists that we can use their 
> methods." 
> -President Barack Obama

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