[sparkscoffee] Re: How Christianity has been turned upside down
- From: "D.J.J. Ring, Jr." <n1ea@xxxxxxxx>
- To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2014 18:41:32 -0400
RR,
The money changers and the animal pedlers were allowed to set up in the
Court of the Gentiles.
Jewish law forbid any coin to be used except Jewish coin.
The money changers were very greedy. They would charge the Jews who were
coming to consecrate a son or daughter or other business of atonement 300%
profit, or they would charge three times the cost to change Roman coininto
Jewish sheckles.
Then when the rabbis came out they needed to change the sheckles into Roman
coin that they could spend in the market, the money changers would charge
them 300% again, so the money changers would be making 600% on the same
scheckles.
The animal pedlars were also thieves, charging far too much for animals
used in sin atonement.
So you see doing this actually helped the rabbis because I'm sure the usery
stopped at least for a while.
But there was no challenge to the authority of the Sanhederan by Jesus.
73
DR
On Sep 2, 2014 3:53 PM, "Ron Ristad" <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> DR,
> Jesus chased the money changers out of the temple. This was not
> challenging the rabbi's authority? In the end it usually comes down to
> money.
>
> I stand corrected on Daniel Carroll and George Clymer. I just remember
> when John F. Kennedy was running for president and people were worried that
> he would take orders from the Pope.
>
> -RR
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "D.J.J. Ring, Jr."
> Sent: Sep 2, 2014 12:44 PM
> To: "sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
> Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: How Christianity has been turned upside down
>
> RR,
>
> Jesus NEVER NEVER NEVER challenged the authority of the Temple leaders.
> The blasphemy he was found guilty if was putting himself equal to God. He
> accepted their authority to convict him, he accepted the authority of Rome
> to put him to death. Of course, he never committed a crime at all.
>
> You said:
>
> *Jesus challenged the authority of the rabbis. * This never happened.
>
>
> I have shown you my proofs that Jesus never challenged the authority of
> the Sanhedrin.
>
> You make remarks like "It is not a coincidence that America was founded
> by Christians and the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights was written by
> Christians. I don't mean Catholics either."
>
> Not only does this remark show your bigotry, it shows your ignorance. I
> know of at least two Catholics that framed the U.S. Constitution, Daniel
> Carroll.from Maryland and George Clymer from Philadelphia, PA.
>
> http://www.usconstitution.net/constframedata.html
>
> The Declaration of Independence likewise was also signed by a Catholic
> (Roman rite), Charles Carroll of Maryland as well as Anglican,
> Congregationalist, Deist, Episcopal, Presbyterian, Quaker, and Unitarian.
>
> http://www.usconstitution.net/declarsigndata.html
>
> The Articles of Confederation were also signed by a Catholic (Roman),
> Daniel Carroll of Maryland. The same Daniel Carroll was elected to the
> First Congress of the United States of America, thus he was involved in the
> drafting and passing of the amendments to the Constitution known as the
> Bill of Rights.
>
> I guess that means we can correct and amend your quote like this:
>
>
>
> *It is not a coincidence that America was founded by Christians and the
> U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights was written by Christians. and I mean
> Catholics too. -RR*
>
> Would you consider putting that at the end of each email? .
>
> 73
>
> DR
>
> Thought for the Day: "Ignorance is curable, stupidity is not."
>
>
> On Aug 31, 2014 2:25 PM, "Ron Ristad" <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> DR,
>> So let me get this straight. It's OK for Jews to kill somebody for the
>> crime of blasphemy, but not ISIL?
>>
>> Jesus challenged the authority of the rabbis. That was his crime. It's
>> called blasphemy when applied to religion, but Jewish government is a
>> theocracy, just like Islam where church and state are one in the same.
>>
>> Jews, Muslims, communists and facists are all murderers. Murder is their
>> solution to every problem, even if it's just used as a threat.
>>
>> It is not a coincidence that America was founded by Christians and the
>> U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights was written by Christians. I don't
>> mean Catholics either.
>>
>> -RR
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>> From: "D.J.J. Ring, Jr."
>> Sent: Aug 31, 2014 8:30 AM
>> To: "sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
>> Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: How Christianity has been turned upside down
>>
>> Jesus never challenged the rabbi's rule. He challenged their
>> interpretation of the law, but not their position or ability to rule or
>> their authority to rule. What he did challenge was their understanding of
>> the Law (meaning the scriptures which are the Law).
>>
>> They were furious at him for doing this.
>>
>> You're right about the Rabbis of the Sanhedrin trying Jesus and finding
>> him guilty of Blasphemy - which is #1 Commandment (Law)
>>
>> I am Yahweh your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of
>> the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not
>> make for yourselves an idol, nor any image of anything that is in the
>> heavens above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water
>> under the earth: you shall not bow yourself down to them, nor serve them,
>> for I, Yahweh your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the
>> fathers on the children, on the third and on the fourth generation of those
>> who hate me, and showing loving kindness to thousands of those who love me
>> and keep my commandments.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jesus not only agrees that blasphemy is an evil, but being merciful he
>> tempers it, it can be forgiven, but he adds that there is one blasphemy
>> that can never be forgiven:
>>
>> Mark 28-30 28 “Truly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the
>> sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they utter; 29 but whoever
>> blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of
>> an eternal sin”— 30 for they had said, “He has an unclean spirit.”
>>
>> Jesus was taken before the Sanhedrin and charged with blasphemy and
>> convicted, just as St. Stephan who was the first martyr - and Saul later
>> Paul was there at that martyrdom when he was on the side of the Sanhedrin -
>> as he should be - as he was not illuminated by the truth that Jesus had
>> given which after he fell down blind and later recovered his sight, he
>> received and was converted to Christ.
>>
>> The Sanhedrin / "the rabbis" had authority to judge interpret the Law but
>> NOT to make Law, only God made Law. This used to be our basis of British
>> Common Law in the USA but no more, now it is more like you say, the Supreme
>> Court and other courts make law. Jesus had as you say the authority to
>> judge but even higher than theirs, in addition to their powers, Jesus had
>> the authority to make laws, which he passed to Peter - the Rock and his
>> Church.
>>
>> As for weapons of mass destruction, they were there, we got most of them
>> along with barrels of money, I know an Army Ranger who saw them being
>> loaded on a ship, but everything about that was declared to be above top
>> secret, so you won't hear anything about it because of the acquisition of
>> the gold and jewels would signify that our economy is going to Hell in a
>> hand basket.
>>
>> Most of what you say about government I agree with - and it is
>> illegitimate for governments to abuse people and their authority like that.
>> Going into that cesspool would take us forever. Usually it comes down to
>> money, land, and power.
>>
>> 73
>>
>> DR
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 7:59 AM, Ron Ristad <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> Exactly. Jesus challenged the rabbi's rule. The Roman governor told the
>>> rabbis that Jesus had not broken any Roman law. Why did they try to trick
>>> Jesus into saying that he challenged Roman authority to collect taxes? It
>>> was the rabbis who tried Jesus and found him guilty. They claimed it was
>>> because he said he was the Messiah (how is that a crime anyway?) in order
>>> to justify their actions just as the U.S. Government claimed they invaded
>>> Iraq because they had WMD's. In Jewish communities the rabbis made the
>>> laws, claiming they were given that authority by God. Jesus said that he
>>> was also a son of God and as such had as much authority as they did to
>>> judge right and wrong. For this he had to be executed because death is the
>>> punishment for challenging authority is Jewish and Islamic and communist
>>> states.
>>>
>>> All governments do is rob and murder people. If you owe money to the
>>> U.S. Government. they will forcibly seize everything you owe and kill you
>>> if you resist. Can you imagine a bank or private company doing this if you
>>> owed them money? During the 20th Century governments were responsible for
>>> murdering 200 million people, not counting the ten's of millions killed in
>>> wars. All governments are evil because they attract evil people, people
>>> who want to rule over others and rob and steal with impunity. It does not
>>> matter if they are "democratically" elected, which is a farce, or claim
>>> they are given the power by God, such as Jews and Muslims, or they are
>>> warlords who are at least honest.
>>>
>>> -RR
>>>
>>> -RR
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: "D.J.J. Ring, Jr."
>>> Sent: Aug 30, 2014 9:48 PM
>>> To: "sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
>>> Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: How Christianity has been turned upside down
>>>
>>> The chief rabbis called for Jesus's execution because he committed the
>>> offense of saying he was God.
>>>
>>> Pilate sat on the judgement seat and heard the case, and found Jesus
>>> innocent of violating any Roman law.
>>>
>>> 6 When the chief priests and the officers saw him, they cried out,
>>> “Crucify him, crucify him!” Pilate said to them, “Take him yourselves and
>>> crucify him, for I find no crime in him.” 7 The Jews answered him, “We have
>>> a law, and by that law he ought to die, because he has made himself the Son
>>> of God.” 8 When Pilate heard these words, he was the more afraid; 9 he
>>> entered the praetorium again and said to Jesus, “Where are you from?” But
>>> Jesus gave no answer. 10 Pilate therefore said to him, “You will not speak
>>> to me? Do you not know that I have power to release you, and power to
>>> crucify you?” 11 Jesus answered him, “You would have no power over me
>>> unless it had been given you from above; therefore he who delivered me to
>>> you has the greater sin.”
>>>
>>> 12 Upon this Pilate sought to release him, but the Jews cried out, “If
>>> you release this man, you are not Caesar’s friend; every one who makes
>>> himself a king sets himself against Caesar.” 13 When Pilate heard these
>>> words, he brought Jesus out and sat down on the judgment seat at a place
>>> called The Pavement, and in Hebrew, Gabbatha. 14 Now it was the day of
>>> Preparation of the Passover; it was about the sixth hour. He said to the
>>> Jews, “Behold your King!” 15 They cried out, “Away with him, away with him,
>>> crucify him!” Pilate said to them, “Shall I crucify your King?” The chief
>>> priests answered, “We have no king but Caesar.” 16 Then he handed him over
>>> to them to be crucified.
>>>
>>> Pilate was afraid that the Jews would tell Caesar that he was
>>> administering law unfairly, fear again ruled. Pilate's wife had a dream
>>> and she was right.
>>>
>>> But without Pilate's decision, what had to be done would not have been
>>> done, so Pilate and the Rabbi's both glorified God by their acts - God
>>> brought beauty out of it all.[
>>>
>>> 73
>>> DR
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 4:24 PM, Ron Ristad <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Pontius Pilot washed his hands of Jesus's execution. He said he wanted
>>>> nothing to do with it. In Jewish communities well into the 20th Century it
>>>> was rabbis who made all the rules. It was the Jewish rabbis who called for
>>>> Jesus's execution.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: "Lee, NI7I"
>>>> Sent: Aug 30, 2014 11:52 AM
>>>> To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: How Christianity has been turned upside
>>>> down
>>>>
>>>> I had always been under the impression that the Romans killed him
>>>> and that the Romans were in power (the government) at that time.. Guess I
>>>> was wrong.
>>>>
>>>> Le
>>>> e
>>>>
>>>> On 8/30/2014 7:57 AM, Ron Ristad wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Jesus said that his kingdom was not of this world. He challenged
>>>> government control. The government being the Rabbis in a Jewish state.
>>>> That's why he was executed. The only solution governments have for any
>>>> problem is to kill people. This is why the more problems there are the more
>>>> people must die.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: "D.J.J. Ring, Jr."
>>>> Sent: Aug 30, 2014 8:28 AM
>>>> To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: How Christianity has been turned upside
>>>> down
>>>>
>>>> No he wouldn't. He be called a blasphemer because he said God was his
>>>> father and that he was God.
>>>>
>>>> He said his kingdom was not of this world.
>>>>
>>>> 73
>>>>
>>>> DR
>>>> On Aug 30, 2014 10:01 AM, "Ron Ristad" <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Jesus would be called a terrorist today.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQI7MVHYf8M
>>>>>
>>>>> -RR
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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