[sparkscoffee] Re: Butchers Of The Islamic State
- From: "D.J.J. Ring, Jr." <n1ea@xxxxxxxx>
- To: "sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 09:32:28 -0400
RR,
The head of ISIL is Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi.
I tried searching, but lots of junk comes up. I listen and read a lot of
news, this was a buzz after the first beheading, it also made the claim
that because Muslims from all over the world were joining ISIL's struggle,
that he was the Calif of the new Islam State - the first since WW2 when the
Ottoman Empire was destroyed.
I find stories like this now from Moracco Times:
The former NSA and CIA agent Edward Snowden revealed that the leader of the
Islamic State of Iraq and Syria Abu Bakr Al Baghdadi was trained in Israel,
various Iranien sources reported.
Snowden added that the American CIA and the British Intelligence
collaborated with the Israeli Mossad to create a terrorist organization
that is able to attract all extremists of the world to one place, using a
strategy called “the hornet’s nest”.
The “Hornet’s nest’’ strategy aims to bring all the major threats to one
place in order to track them, and mostly to shake the stability of the Arab
countries. The NSA agent revealed that the ISIS “Calif”, *Abu Bakr Al
Baghdadi* went trough intense military training in the Israeli intelligence
“Mossad”.
Besides military training, Al Baghdadi studied communication and public
speaking skills in order to attract “terrorists” from all the corners of
the world.
Related Post: John Kerry: “ Islam is a Peaceful Religion Based on the
Dignity of all Human Beings,” NOT What ISIS Preaches
<http://moroccantimes.com/2014/09/john-kerry-real-face-islam-peaceful-religion-based-dignity-human-beings-isis/>
The Centre for Research on Globalization (CRG), an independent non-profit
organization in the province of Quebec, Canada, which focuses on research
and media, relayed a story about this as well, adding that “three countries
created a terrorist organisation that is able to attract all extremists of
the world to one place,” using the aforementioned “the hornet’s nest”
strategy.
“The only solution for the protection of the Jewish state is to create an
enemy near its borders,” Snowden was reported to say.
I had the Arabic web site that was associated with ISIL but I didn't
bookmark it, I found it because I found some words that were in Arabic and
when I searched for them I found that web site and they had the unedited
video showing the beheading.
I tried to see the beheading of the second USA citizen but by the time I
had heard of it, YouTube had deleted all the full videos and had only the
edited videos which everyone picks up and reposts so you can't find the
original.
If I run across the quote, I'll send it to you - but right now there are
lots of "hits" when I search that have nothing to do with that quote.
But didn't you hear the comment on the second video about Obama?
ISIL is taking journalists - they're not combattants.
You're on your own - finding the truth on a subject where there is a lot of
propaganda going out so you can't find it later is difficult.
DR
On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 1:05 AM, Ron Ristad <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> DR,
> Please show me the website, YouTube video, or Facebook page where the
> "head of ISIS" made these comments. Do you even know who the head of ISIS
> is?
>
> When did the younger brother accused of the Boston bombing make a
> statement? I don't recall seeing that. Please post a link to that.
>
> ISIS represents a very tiny percentage of the Muslim population.The
> country with the largest Muslim population is Indonesia. Is anybody in
> Indonesia threatening the U.S.? India is the country with the second
> largest Muslim population. Is anybody in India threatening the U.S.? Know
> any terrorists from those countries?
>
> It's sheeple like you and the Zionists who have brainwashed you that gives
> the U.S. such a bad name all around the world.
>
> -RR
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "D.J.J. Ring, Jr."
> Sent: Sep 4, 2014 9:08 PM
> To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: Butchers Of The Islamic State
>
> RR,
>
> You can torture the facts so you come out right.
>
> I said that the head of ISIS made the threat.
>
> The Boston bombing brothers were Muslims the living one said that it was
> payback for USA killing Muslims. Killing one Muslim is like an attack on
> us al, they say.
>
> RR, the people involved disagree with what you say. They say it was for
> Islam, for jihad.
>
> You tell Martin Richards the eight year old who is dead that there is no
> threat to USA.
>
> The Boston bombing brothers youtube site had videos dedicated to Jihad.
>
> RR, the news had a story two days ago about 200 USA muslim citizens going
> to join ISIL to fight with them, also UK, France and other EU countries.
>
> Hamas is doing pretty good at it continuing threat to kill all Jews.
>
> Remember, next week during the Jewish New Year was the original planned
> attack on Israel by Hamas using the tunnels they built to attack the
> Israel, but their plans were discovered by IDF.
>
> Your facts are so wrong!
>
> DR
> On Sep 4, 2014 10:36 PM, "Ron Ristad" <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> DR,
>> Your examples would be funny if they weren't so pathetic. If I say "Death
>> to all Muslims!" does that mean that all Christians want to kill all
>> Muslims? It only means something if I represent a large organization and
>> It's only a threat if I have the means to back it up.
>>
>> A lone teenager who sets off a homemade bomb made from fireworks is not a
>> threat to America any more than any of the dozens of other crazy teenagers
>> who shot people for no reason and who had nothing to do with Islam.
>>
>> But I guess to a believer the facts are irrelevant.
>>
>> -RR
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "D.J.J. Ring, Jr."
>> Sent: Sep 4, 2014 8:19 PM
>> To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: Butchers Of The Islamic State
>>
>> It was the head of Islamic State and Levant that said that. It has been
>> in the news after the first beheading and then again after the second,
>> commentators drew lines to the statements that it wasn't USA bombing that
>> the decapitations were done for, they were just done because we are not
>> Muslim and thus we are the enemy
>>
>> The Texas army base shooting was Islamicterror, the psychiatrist who did
>> it has said so. The girl friend of one on the two Boston terrorists said
>> that it was terror for Allah.
>>
>> The only two countries who are dealing correctly with this evil are
>> Israel and Russia.
>>
>> Just remember, we may not be at war with them, but they are at war with
>> us.
>>
>> Before September 11, 2001, they were at war with us.
>>
>> To Islam the occupied lands are the lands once conquered by Islam, Spain,
>> France, Italy -- nearly the entire Mediterranian coast - Albania, Greece,
>> Turkey, Syria, Lebanon, what is now Israel.
>>
>> Remember Islam attacked those Christian countries and occupied them,
>> during the Crusades what was left of Christian Europe liberated Jerusalem,
>> Syria, Lebanon, etc.
>>
>> There are some good books that tell the whole story, not just the second
>> chapter during the Crusades, but the first bloody are that Islam started.
>>
>> DR
>> On Sep 4, 2014 6:42 PM, "Ron Ristad" <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> DR,
>>> The Boston bombing suspects did not belong to any terrorist group that I
>>> am aware of.
>>>
>>> Where did you hear these Islamic terrorists say "just because we exist
>>> and that they will murder us all". Who said that? What was his name? When
>>> did he say it? Does this person represent all Muslims everywhere? Who does
>>> he represent?
>>>
>>> Where did you hear these Islamic terrorists say "They want to destroy
>>> all Jews just because they exist, they want to destroy Christians because
>>> they exist."? Who said that? Who does he represent?
>>>
>>> The Iranian president was accused of saying that Israel would be wiped
>>> off the map but he never said that he was the one that would do it. I also
>>> believe that Israel will be wiped off the map if they continue their
>>> genocide because that is usually what happens to people who do things like
>>> that. but I don't wish it.
>>>
>>> If you believe these things and have no hard evidence to support it then
>>> it is proof positive that you have been brainwashed by propaganda.
>>>
>>> Jews do control the American mainstream media. That's just a fact.
>>> Google it.
>>>
>>> -RR
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: "D.J.J. Ring, Jr."
>>> Sent: Sep 4, 2014 2:06 PM
>>> To: "sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
>>> Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: Butchers Of The Islamic State
>>>
>>> RR,
>>>
>>> There are plenty of Islamic terrorists. One of them killed some people
>>> last year with two pressure cooker bombs,
>>>
>>> If you don't get your facts correct, you will finally end up with really
>>> wrong thinking.
>>>
>>> Seems to have happened to you unfortunately not just in isolated areas,
>>> but in lots of areas.
>>>
>>> When troubleshooting we were taught to never assume - even if the power
>>> supply worked yesterday, test it today.
>>>
>>> When you have deluded yourself to the point that the Terrorist Muslims
>>> who admit that it doesn't matter what we have done or will do, that it is
>>> just because we exist and that they will murder us all and for some reason
>>> that becomes an unfact because supposedly the Jews have controlled the
>>> media to plant the idea.
>>>
>>> They want to destroy all Jjews just because they exiist, they want to
>>> destroy Christians because they exist.
>>>
>>> You're saying that there are none in the USA doesn't make it so. Just
>>> like you're saying that the Zionists control mass media doesn't make that
>>> happen either.
>>>
>>> You're just typing in green ink.
>>>
>>> DR
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Ron Ristad <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>> JS,
>>>> That is pure unadulterated rascism.
>>>>
>>>> Furthermore, despite what government would like you to believe there
>>>> are no Islamic terrorists, freedom fighters or other militant groups in the
>>>> U.S..Unlike the Zionists, they do not control the government and mainstream
>>>> media and are no threat to the American way of life. They are not the ones
>>>> who are trying to destroy our Constitution and Bill of Rights.
>>>>
>>>> The problem with Muslims is that they are a very religious people and
>>>> the communists who run this country do not believe in God. I remember being
>>>> in Egypt in 1978 and Egyptians telling me how much they loved Jimmy Carter.
>>>> In my experience Muslims are simple people who do not hate anybody. I would
>>>> never be a Muslim myself because I find their lifestyle boring but I have
>>>> never once felt intimidated being around them. In my life I have spent time
>>>> in over 100 countries and found people pretty much the same everywhere.
>>>>
>>>> Even in Israel Muslims and Jews lived together peacefully for hundred's
>>>> of years before the Zionists invaded and slaughtered Muslims and threw them
>>>> out of their homes.
>>>>
>>>> If you want to buy into all the BS propaganda the government is
>>>> peddling and are willing to die for it then be my guest but count me out.
>>>>
>>>> -RR
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: "schalestock@xxxxxxxx"
>>>> Sent: Sep 4, 2014 11:20 AM
>>>> To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: Butchers Of The Islamic State
>>>>
>>>> RR
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure you will agree that war and conflict has been with man since
>>>> the beginning. The horror of killing and watching friends being killed
>>>> strikes a cord in the human psyche that scars and alters a man irrevocably.
>>>> It is antithical to the human spirit which, in need of self preservation,
>>>> allows itself to become deadened to the pain. The result expresses itself
>>>> in brutality. Which is just another face of evil.
>>>>
>>>> As with any conflict, you can argue cause and effect, aggression and
>>>> revenge. But I think what we have in the current situation goes deeper. It
>>>> is a clash of cultures that are fundamentally and diametrically opposed to
>>>> each other - the ethics of the 7th century versus the morality of the 21st.
>>>> The Geneva Convention didn't come about because the war mongers
>>>> developed a conscience. What they did realize is that without some
>>>> semblance of rules, participants and societies would become insane and self
>>>> destructive - mutually assured destruction of the temporal world we live
>>>> in. It was grudgingly accepted that there would always be winners sand
>>>> losers.
>>>>
>>>> Enter the current Sharia based bestiality of Islam, a true culture of
>>>> death, and all bets are off. Dealing with a rabid animal is a fair analogy.
>>>> It is either you or it and the only mode of communication is violence.
>>>> This is a long way from Clausewitz's dictum that war is simply a
>>>> continuation of politics by other means.
>>>>
>>>> What we are dealing with in ISIS is evil, pure and simple. Explanations
>>>> and analysis of it's motives is futile redundancy. Or as my old Gunny
>>>> Sargent was fond of saying, "Kill em all and let God sort them out."
>>>>
>>>> JS
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---------- Original Message ----------
>>>> From: Ron Ristad <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: Butchers Of The Islamic State
>>>> Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2014 10:20:47 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
>>>>
>>>> JS,
>>>> What the article is saying is that the U.S. is responsible for creating
>>>> Islamic extremism in the first place, starting all the way back with Osama
>>>> Bin Laden. Al Queda was created by the CIA in order to fight Russia in
>>>> Afghanistan. The "war on terror" will never be won by invading other
>>>> countries and killing the local citizens. What has the war on terror
>>>> accomplished? Nothing. It has been the cause of hundred's of thousands of
>>>> deaths, mostly of innocent civilians, and has created more and more radical
>>>> Muslims. All the killing and torture and deaths of American soldiers did
>>>> not bring back any of the people who died on 9/11. Two wrongs never make a
>>>> right.
>>>>
>>>> -RR
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: "schalestock@xxxxxxxx" <schalestock@xxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Sep 4, 2014 9:57 AM
>>>> To: sparkscoffee@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [sparkscoffee] Re: Butchers Of The Islamic State
>>>>
>>>> RR
>>>>
>>>> Just wondering...is this supposed to represent some kind of moral
>>>> equivalency?
>>>>
>>>> I notice he didn't mention any details about why the Marine recon team
>>>> urinated on that dead Taliban. Here's some genuine moral equivalency. One
>>>> of their team members had been captured, tortured then mutilated. Penis cut
>>>> off and stuffed in his mouth. (didn't see any mention of that in the
>>>> article.)
>>>>
>>>> When the team wiped them out in a firefight, pissing on the corpse of
>>>> one of these animals was pretty light payback in my opinion. I would have
>>>> joined in.
>>>>
>>>> At any rate, this kind of "journalism" which is transparently
>>>> predicated on some kind of supposed "moral equivalency" is pathetic. No one
>>>> said war was a soccer game. Nor that atrocities are not committed. But
>>>> presenting this article as some kind of "proof" that we are the cause of
>>>> all the trouble over there is less than convincing to say the least.
>>>>
>>>> JS
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---------- Original Message ----------
>>>> From: Ron Ristad <ristad@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: undisclosed-recipients:;
>>>> Subject: [sparkscoffee] Butchers Of The Islamic State
>>>> Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2014 08:35:12 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> by Tom Engelhardt
>>>> <http://davidstockmanscontracorner.com/author/tom-engelhardt/> • September
>>>> 3, 2014
>>>>
>>>> In that largely Muslim part of the world, the U.S. left a grim record
>>>> that we in this country generally tend to discount or forget when we decry
>>>> the barbarism of others. We are now focused in horror on ISIS’s video of
>>>> the murder of journalist James Foley, a propaganda document clearly
>>>> designed to drive Washington over the edge and into more active opposition
>>>> to that group.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We, however, ignore the virtual library of videos and other imagery the
>>>> U.S. generated, images widely viewed (or heard about and discussed) with no
>>>> less horror in the Muslim world than ISIS’s imagery is in ours. As a start,
>>>> there were the infamous “screen saver
>>>> <http://www.tomdispatch.com/blog/175836/tomgram%3A_karen_greenberg,_abu_ghraib_never_left_us/>”
>>>> images straight out of the Marquis de Sade from Abu Ghraib prison
>>>> <http://www.antiwar.com/news/?articleid=8560>. There, Americans
>>>> tortured and abused Iraqi prisoners, while creating their own iconic
>>>> version <http://www.executedtoday.com/images/Abu_Ghraib_abuse.jpg> of
>>>> crucifixion imagery. Then there were the videos that no one (other than
>>>> insiders) saw, but that everyone heard about. These, the CIA took of the
>>>> repeated torture and abuse of al-Qaeda suspects in its “black sites.” In
>>>> 2005, they were destroyed
>>>> <http://www.newyorker.com/news/amy-davidson/jose-rodriguez-and-the-ninety-two-tapes>
>>>> by an official of that agency, lest they be screened in an American court
>>>> someday. There was also the Apache helicopter video
>>>> <http://collateralmurder.com/> released by WikiLeaks in which American
>>>> pilots gunned down Iraqi civilians on the streets of Baghdad (including two
>>>> Reuters correspondents), while on the sound track the crew are heard
>>>> wisecracking. There was the video
>>>> <http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/sep/24/us-marines-charged-dead-taliban>
>>>> of U.S. troops urinating on the bodies of dead Taliban fighters in
>>>> Afghanistan. There were the trophy photos
>>>> <http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-afghan-photos-20120418-story.html#page=1>
>>>> of body parts brought home
>>>> <http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/world_now/2012/04/afghans-revolted-by-us-troops-posing-with-dead-suicide-bombers.html>
>>>> by U.S. soldiers. There were the snuff films
>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXgGCH36fzM>of the victims of
>>>> Washington’s drone assassination campaigns in the tribal backlands of the
>>>> planet (or “bug splat
>>>> <http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/09/world/asia/pakistan-drones-not-a-bug-splat/>,”
>>>> as the drone pilots came to call the dead from those attacks) and similar
>>>> footage <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGYV3JirmyA> from helicopter
>>>> gunships. There was the bin Laden snuff film video from the raid on
>>>> Abbottabad, Pakistan, of which President Obama reportedly watched
>>>> <http://www.cnn.com/2011/TECH/web/05/02/bin.laden.video/> a live feed.
>>>> And that’s only to begin
>>>> <http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/31/opinion/sunday/stop-hiding-images-of-american-torture.html>
>>>> to account for some of the imagery produced by the U.S. since September
>>>> 2001 from its various adventures in the Greater Middle East.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> All in all, the invasions, the occupations, the drone campaigns in
>>>> several lands, the deaths that ran into the hundreds of thousands, the
>>>> uprooting
>>>> <http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/174892/michael_schwartz_the_iraqi_brain_drain>
>>>> of millions of people sent into external or internal exile, the expending
>>>> of trillions
>>>> <http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/27/opinion/iraq-opinion-united-states-cost-of-war/index.html>
>>>> of dollars added up to a bin Laden dreamscape. They would prove jihadist
>>>> recruitment tools par excellence.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> When the U.S. was done, when it had set off the process that led to
>>>> insurgencies, civil wars, the growth of extremist militias, and the
>>>> collapse of state structures, it had also guaranteed the rise of something
>>>> new on Planet Earth: ISIS – as well as of other extremist outfits ranging
>>>> from the Pakistani Taliban, now challenging the state in certain areas of
>>>> that country, to Ansar al-Sharia in Libya and al-Qaeda in the Arabian
>>>> Peninsula in Yemen.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Though the militants of ISIS would undoubtedly be horrified to think
>>>> so, they are the spawn of Washington. Thirteen years of regional war,
>>>> occupation, and intervention played a major role in clearing the ground for
>>>> them. They may be our worst nightmare (thus far), but they are also our
>>>> legacy – and not just because so many of their leaders came from
>>>> <http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/28/world/middleeast/army-know-how-seen-as-factor-in-isis-successes.html>
>>>> the Iraqi army we disbanded, had their beliefs and skills honed in the
>>>> prisons we set up (Camp Bucca
>>>> <http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/07/was-camp-bucca-pressure-cooker-extremism>
>>>> seems to have been the West Point of Iraqi extremism), and gained
>>>> experience facing U.S. counterterror operations in the “surge” years of the
>>>> occupation. In fact, just about everything done in the war on terror has
>>>> facilitated their rise. After all, we dismantled the Iraqi army and rebuilt
>>>> one that would flee at the first signs of ISIS’s fighters, abandoning
>>>> <http://abcnews.go.com/International/iraqi-army-left-weapons-hands-terrorists-today/story?id=24070848>
>>>> vast stores of Washington’s weaponry to them. We essentially destroyed the
>>>> Iraqi state, while fostering a Shia leader who would oppress enough
>>>> Sunnis
>>>> <http://www.tomdispatch.com/blog/175869/tomgram%3A_dahr_jamail,_incinerating_iraq/>
>>>> in enough ways to create a situation in which ISIS would be welcomed or
>>>> tolerated throughout significant areas of the country.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *The Escalation Follies*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> When you think about it, from the moment the first bombs began falling
>>>> on Afghanistan in October 2001 to the present, not a single U.S. military
>>>> intervention has had anything like its intended effect. Each one has, in
>>>> time, proven a disaster in its own special way, providing breeding grounds
>>>> for extremism and producing yet another set of recruitment posters for yet
>>>> another set of jihadist movements. Looked at in a clear-eyed way, this is
>>>> what any American military intervention seems to offer such extremist
>>>> outfits – and ISIS knows it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And keep one thing in mind: if the U.S. were truly capable of
>>>> destroying or crushing ISIS, as our secretary of state and others are
>>>> urging, that might prove to be anything but a boon. After all, it was easy
>>>> enough to think, as Americans did after 9/11, that al-Qaeda was the worst
>>>> the world of Islamic extremism had to offer. Osama bin Laden’s killing was
>>>> presented to us as an ultimate triumph over Islamic terror. But ISIS lives
>>>> and breathes and grows, and across the Greater Middle East Islamic
>>>> extremist organizations are gaining membership and traction in ways that
>>>> should illuminate just what the war on terror has really delivered. The
>>>> fact that we can’t now imagine what might be worse than ISIS means nothing,
>>>> given that no one in our world could imagine ISIS before it sprang into
>>>> being.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://davidstockmanscontracorner.com/the-islamic-state-spawn-of-washingtons-wars-of-terrror/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -RR
>>>>
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