[soapcraft] Re: Palm Oil
- From: "Mandy Coleman" <mok.mansions@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <soapcraft@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 23:07:14 +1300
Kia ora
It is an ethical issue I know but there are so many ethical issues out there
about just about everything, wheree do you start and stop? I believe in the
charity begins at home saying.be the change you want to see in the world.I
cant change the world but I can change my world. and I believe in
choice.customers want a choice and I would like to offer them that. If they
refuse to buy my soap because I use palm oil in some of them, then so be it.
Sorry but to me the ethical choice to not use lard is stronger than the one
to not use palm oil. You guessed it yes I am a vegetarian. All I can say is
that you have to follow your heart and good luck.
Arohanui
Mandy Coleman
Mokihinui Mansions
36-56 Lewis Street
Mokihinui
RD1 Westport
037821837
0273075881
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From: soapcraft-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:soapcraft-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Kathryn Bellamy
Sent: Monday, 22 March 2010 10:05 p.m.
To: soapcraft@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [soapcraft] Re: Palm Oil
This is an issue I've been struggling with for some months now. It all
started a few months ago while I was selling at a local market. A customer
was picking up each bar and reading the ingredient list on the back.
Eventually she asked "Do you have anything without soy or palm oil?" I
replied that I did, I make three different types of Castille, using only
olive and super fatting a couple with Cocoa butter.
I asked why she didn't like the palm or soy and she explained about the
deforestation issues with palm and the GM issues regarding a good deal of
soy oil.
Hmm, what to do? In the end I sent an email to the company who make the
palm oil I had been using sunnzfood to ask where they source their palm
oil. Did it come from an approved plantation?
I got no reply, so I tried again. Still no answer.
So, I will not be buying that again. I don't know if they use a legitimate
producer or not. If they do, and they have nothing to hide, then their
customer service sucks. If they don't, I don't want to buy their product.
Either way, no sale.
This leaves us with the question, what to use instead?
I started using a bit of animal fat. Old fashioned I know, but it gives a
really stable lather and contributes well to the hardness of the bar. Some
vegetarians will object I'm sure, but you can't have your cake and eat it
too. So, unless they are willing to pay for a pure castille, they will have
to choose between the use of animal fats (animals that have already been
slaughtered for their meat, thus the fat is a waste product), or the use of
palm (maybe ripping up virgin forest & making animals homeless), or soy oil
that is possibly GM!
Argg! At times I wish I had never asked that woman what the problem was.
This whole question is an ethical nightmare.
As to the soy question, I don't know what to do. At this point I am doing
nothing as I believe the soy oil being sold in NZ is GM free, but I may well
be wrong. Does anyone have any information on that?
Gina Roberts wrote:
Try coconut. The food industry and bio oil industry are by far causing the
issue. I am not sure about the hand made soap people like us but there is
such a thing as sustainable palm that can be bought but it costs more of
course.
Palm is a great filler for soap and I will continue to watch this issue.
Gina Roberts
Soapcraft
www.soapcraft.co.nz
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From: Maggie Bath <mailto:mcbath@xxxxxxxxxx> <mcbath@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: soapcraft@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sun, 21 March, 2010 10:55:01 PM
Subject: [soapcraft] Palm Oil
Fellow Soapers.....
With all the hoo haa about Palm Oil on TV/Radio these days, what say you all
about using the product?
I have a couple of soap recipes that use Palm Oil but am loathe to make them
unless I can find a substitute for Palm Oil. Any suggestions?
Maggie
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