[soapcraft] Re: Palm Oil
- From: Louise Shing <louiseshing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "soapcraft@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <soapcraft@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 11:49:54 +1300
I agree with what you say Mandy.
Louise
on 22/3/10 11:07 PM, Mandy Coleman at mok.mansions@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
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> Kia ora
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> It is an ethical issue I know but there are so many ethical issues out there
> about just about everything, wheree do you start and stop? I believe in the
> charity begins at home saying?be the change you want to see in the world?I
> cant change the world but I can change my world. and I believe in
> choice.customers want a choice and I would like to offer them that. If they
> refuse to buy my soap because I use palm oil in some of them, then so be it.
> Sorry but to me the ethical choice to not use lard is stronger than the one to
> not use palm oil. You guessed it yes I am a vegetarian. All I can say is that
> you have to follow your heart and good luck.
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> Arohanui
> Mandy Coleman
> Mokihinui Mansions
> 36-56 Lewis Street
> Mokihinui
> RD1 Westport
> 037821837
> 0273075881
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> From: soapcraft-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:soapcraft-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Kathryn Bellamy
> Sent: Monday, 22 March 2010 10:05 p.m.
> To: soapcraft@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [soapcraft] Re: Palm Oil
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> This is an issue I've been struggling with for some months now. It all started
> a few months ago while I was selling at a local market. A customer was picking
> up each bar and reading the ingredient list on the back. Eventually she asked
> "Do you have anything without soy or palm oil?" I replied that I did, I make
> three different types of Castille, using only olive and super fatting a
> couple with Cocoa butter.
> I asked why she didn't like the palm or soy and she explained about the
> deforestation issues with palm and the GM issues regarding a good deal of soy
> oil.
> Hmm, what to do? In the end I sent an email to the company who make the palm
> oil I had been using sunnzfood to ask where they source their palm oil. Did
> it come from an approved plantation?
> I got no reply, so I tried again. Still no answer.
> So, I will not be buying that again. I don't know if they use a legitimate
> producer or not. If they do, and they have nothing to hide, then their
> customer service sucks. If they don't, I don't want to buy their product.
> Either way, no sale.
> This leaves us with the question, what to use instead?
> I started using a bit of animal fat. Old fashioned I know, but it gives a
> really stable lather and contributes well to the hardness of the bar. Some
> vegetarians will object I'm sure, but you can't have your cake and eat it too.
> So, unless they are willing to pay for a pure castille, they will have to
> choose between the use of animal fats (animals that have already been
> slaughtered for their meat, thus the fat is a waste product), or the use of
> palm (maybe ripping up virgin forest & making animals homeless), or soy oil
> that is possibly GM!
> Argg! At times I wish I had never asked that woman what the problem was. This
> whole question is an ethical nightmare.
> As to the soy question, I don't know what to do. At this point I am doing
> nothing as I believe the soy oil being sold in NZ is GM free, but I may well
> be wrong. Does anyone have any information on that?
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> Gina Roberts wrote:
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> Try coconut. The food industry and bio oil industry are by far causing the
> issue. I am not sure about the hand made soap people like us but there is
> such a thing as sustainable palm that can be bought but it costs more of
> course.
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> Palm is a great filler for soap and I will continue to watch this issue.
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> Gina Roberts
> Soapcraft
> www.soapcraft.co.nz <http://www.soapcraft.co.nz>
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> From: Maggie Bath <mcbath@xxxxxxxxxx> <mailto:mcbath@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: soapcraft@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Sun, 21 March, 2010 10:55:01 PM
> Subject: [soapcraft] Palm Oil
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> Fellow Soapers.....
> With all the hoo haa about Palm Oil on TV/Radio these days, what say you all
> about using the product?
> I have a couple of soap recipes that use Palm Oil but am loathe to make them
> unless I can find a substitute for Palm Oil. Any suggestions?
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> Maggie
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