[sib-access] Re: recording notes with Flexi time
- From: "Farfar Carlson" <dgcarlson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <sib-access@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 12:54:38 -0800
Joel,
It is unlikely that Avid will allow me to distribute a copy of their manual,
such as it is, since I've edited out a lot of the original information on
the Mac key combinations. Also the text version has none of the graphics and
figures, so it cannot claim to be an exact copy by any means, and will very
likely make them squirm.
So in that eventuality I encourage any of you interested to simply use the
OCR feature in Adobe to create a text-based version of the manual.It will
take a long time, and the results are not pretty. But the text is there, and
is readable.
I spent my time cleaning up the text to recover all the correct CR/LF
positions, duplications of page headings, page numbers, footers, superfluous
reference links and such that got in the way of pure reading. That is my
advice given my skepticism of getting permission, and I for one do not want
to violate anyone's copyrights.
Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joel Daze Gmail Account" <joeldaze@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <sib-access@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 08:23
Subject: [sib-access] Re: recording notes with Flexi time
Hi again...
I use the trial and error method myself. It works out for me very well.
That's the best way to learnIt's frustrating at times but yields lots of
satisfaction afterwards. I do agree that members should try to troubleshoot
themselves especially since you have taken the time to put together the
"tricks and tips" file set. Much appreciated btw.
I do belong to other lists and know how frustrating it can get when it
appears that people are not trying when the answer seems obvious or easy to
read.
If we can get access to the text you have created it will make a big
difference for many users I'm sure.
All the best...
Joël
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Farfar Carlson
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 12:32 AM
To: sib-access@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sib-access] Re: recording notes with Flexi time
Joel,
Your points are well-spoken.
Yes, everyone learns differently. However the Sib 5 Reference Manual is a
very well-written document, and if I or other list members sense that
someone is not reading it just because they want us to provide all the
answers, well then we do get a bit sensitive. Our time in the early years
was well spent with trial-and-error along with looking at the documentation
to figure out why things did or did not work as expected. The end result are
a group of users who are able to use Sibelius fairly well and in fact in
some cases, are making a living at using Sibelius. WE tend to believe that
the best way to learn is to try for yourself and to figure out answers by
research. The old "give a man a fish vs. teach a man to fish" adage at work
here.
Also I've posted to our listers a collection of a few dozen short files with
tips and tricks to help us use Sibelius more efficiently in our own way.
These are important to us because in many of the descriptions in the Sib 5
Reference Manual there are steps that relate to using a mouse, or pulling on
a rectangle corner, or dragging a staff, which we cannot do in the usual
manner.
So I tend to point to the resources available to someone rather than give
them all the steps to solve their immediate problem,in the hopes that they
open the book and learn.
Dave Carlson
Tastefully composed and launched near the Pacific Ocean using a Dell
Latitude E6520, JAWS 14, and Windows 7 Professional 32-bit
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joel Daze Gmail Account" <joeldaze@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <sib-access@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 17:02
Subject: [sib-access] recording notes with Flexi time
Hello everyone.
I,ve been following the last few posts regarding the use of Sib
documentation. While I recognize that people (in this modern generation of
instant access to almost anything) can get lazy when it comes to reading
manuals, I must remind everyone that there are different types of learners
and different levels of proficiency when it comes to JAWS users.
Reading a reference manual can be a daunting task especially when you have
not had previous exposure to software. My opinions come from many years of
IT Access training with a broad scope of individuals with disabilities.
A PDF manual is not easy to navigate at the best of times. If the manual is
made with accessibility in mind you can use INSERT + F6 to navigate headings
with JAWS. The shortcut CTRL + SHIFT + N is very useful in navigating large
documents.
If I had time, I would convert the whole thing in Word to make it more
accessible to JAWS users. Maybe sometime down the road, I'll do this.
And now to the insults.
Using words like "selfish" are less than tactful and do require some
moderation. Lets remember that we don't know the other person's story.
That is, everyone's background is different. I do believe this is an
international list serve so language does come into play.
Dave, I appreciate your response. Thank you.
If my email has offended, I appologise in advance.
Sincerely,
Joël Dazé
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