[SI-LIST] Re: SI job opening at...
- From: Curt McNamara <curt.mcnamara@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: Orin Laney <olaney@xxxxxxxxx>, 'Ken Cantrell' <Ken.Cantrell@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 10:45:53 -0500
Most jobs (>50%) get filled before there is an official opening. Someone is
available, and one of us knows we have a need coming up.
Sometimes folks have auto-notify enabled so they get some indication
automatically when a new message appears. If the message isn't relevant then it
becomes a distraction.
Suggestion: if you turn auto-notify off, then you can look at e-mail only when
you want, and your productivity will go up (references available on request).
Curt
-----Original Message-----
From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Orin Laney
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 10:33 AM
To: 'Ken Cantrell'; si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: SI job opening at...
Let me repeat; ' I don't begrudge the need to contact the right
professionals or for those professionals to find a better position'. At the
same time, I wouldn't say that the present method is optimal -- that's why
previous policy forbade it. There has been no discussion of alternatives,
and the observation that I can always hit delete is banal.
Could there be a parallel, opt-in mailing list specifically for professional
opportunities? A website that allows posting resumes in addition to
openings? I'd like to see the HR folks chime in about what might serve them
better than simply plying us with hit and run postings. Clearly there is a
need to be met, and <volume loud> I support meeting it <volume normal> but,
simply because we have temporarily chosen to tolerate the present solution
doesn't mean it is the best or only one. I don't consider it unobtrusive
when the ratio of job postings to technical discussion in any given week
exceeds 1:1. Ideas?
-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Cantrell [mailto:Ken.Cantrell@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 7:55 AM
To: Orin Laney; si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [SI-LIST] Re: SI job opening at...
Orin,
As Steve Weir pointed out, current policy is "first party wanted/available
postings". I had some friends in the Seattle area go through a severe RIF a
couple of weeks ago. All of them are very knowledgeable individuals that I
have worked with in the past and can confirm their capabilities. Ten to
fifteen years of loyal and productive performance gone in a instant.
Chris Cheng, who's posting you referred to, has been on the list longer than
you have, and has contributed significantly.
This is not to upbraid you, just to give you a sense of perspective. These
are challenging times, and no one's job is safe. First party
wanted/available is a fair and unobtrusive way to help our fellow SI
engineers restore some balance in their lives.
Thanks,
Ken
-----Original Message-----
From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Orin Laney
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 6:41 PM
To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: SI job opening at...
The ratio of useful discussion to job postings to seems to be rapidly
swirling down the bowl. I don't begrudge the need to contact the right
professionals or for those professionals to find a better position, but is
there any way we can charge for the nuisance?
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