I have really enjoyed all this discussion about the old dogs... Really gives you a feel for the breed. Can someone reforward the link to YouTube again? I watched the film quickly this morning, but we had our new phone system installed here (CHRISTMAS EARLY!!!) and I would really like to study it a bit (the film, not the phone system). One thing, someone mentioned something about head carriage... A "natural" head carriage for MOST breeds of dogs with correct structure (Dals, GSD, etc) is one slightly above the topline. When dogs are working - their heads are carried up (for function) and honestly, 9 times out of 10, I don't think showleads do dogs any justice at all (handlers ruin them too)... JMHO.. Jess Mac Paisley Dals (www.paisleydals.com) & The Shepherd Girls _________________________________________________________________ Boo! Scare away worms, viruses and so much more! Try Windows Live OneCare! http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/purchase/trial.aspx?s_cid=wl_hotmailnews ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================