Bob Penny had a copy of this tape but I don't have a clue what happened to it after he passed away. 'Terry Nancy Harper <nancy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Carolyn, A powerful statement from you & I couldn't agree more. When I look at this tape, which I do periodically I am again and again, awestruck by the front assembly. The front foot is seen lightly sweeping the tip of the grass as the dog brings the foreleg forward. So very, very close to the ground, no wasted motion there, hardly any daylight under the pad of the foot. Also here again is the correct front, opening fully. The elbow is NOT "tucked" up next to the body with the foreleg thrown up and out as we see in so many pictures. Instead the front leg is straight out in a direct line from the shoulder and we therefore see lots of daylight under the elbow. Those dogs/bitches that "tuck" the leg next to the body are moving from the elbow and there is little or no daylight between the elbow and the dog's body. As Sandi Card said not too long ago, we have lost, in most cases, the forehands we had previously. Hard to come by once lost. We desperately need a tape of this quality for education. Nancy ----- Original Message ----- From: Carolyn To: nancy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 12:39 PM Subject: Re: who is this dog? Well the last sentence in Nancy's post says it all about our ego's doesn't it. That is exactly why we don't have anything this wonderful done in this Country. We worry too much about "which dog" it will be!! It always has to be some benign 'nobody' dog or someone else or their dog might get too much credit. Because of this "popularity" syndrome of some studs we are seeing a lot of lack of precision movement and incorrect rotating stifles because the dog cannot follow through without the stifle rotating out and the hock in..... pasterns that flip UP on the follow through instead of following the same precise direction as the rear hock....and on some we are seeing impressive gait as long as the dog "digs in" and pulls hard....but when they let up on the leash there is no power to the rear drive and the topline is ...."not so much" ..... afterall. Too bad......you can learn from any dog, and great movement is as Nancy says....a "treasure" to look at, to own, and to learn from. There are so many misconceptions today about what IS good movement......and some won't accept it if it isn't the right dog, the right line, or the right popular owner or handler, or the "right" popular stud.....or in this case...a "German" dog. OUR loss............. This appears to be a beautifully correct dog with powerful drive in the rear and correct extension in the front and precise balanced follow through on both ends. Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.Marhaven.com -----From: "Nancy Harper" An educational tape was> produced by Germany which includes this Seiger gaiting as an example of > powerful, correct gait. Some critics faulted this dog for "over reach" > in> > the rear drive & some "kick up:". This tape shows this same dog with the> skeleton in motion, an extraordinary film The tape is all in German and I > was fortunate to> have an all breed friend from Germany translate it for me. I have used > this > tape in education programs. Pat Trotter also uses this tape in her well> > known educational program on structure and movement. The tape has the> skeleton there with an arrow pointing to different parts of the dog's body> with an explanation of why and how those parts contribute to the gait of > the> dog. It is a treasure. 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