In a message dated 2/27/2005 10:26:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, f.fasano@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: The eyes tell everything folks and the judge has the best opprotunity to observe the reaction of the dog. What is gained by the loose lead? A dog can stand it's ground and still exhibit fear-eyes rolling, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Exactly my "POINT" Kris, thanks! Vicki Von Charisma German Shepherds http://members.aol.com/VAbby17801/VCGShepherds.html Lordstown,Oh. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================