Linda , Great Post, I think you hit the nail on the head on a lot of subjects. We are specialists (collective we) breeding dogs that only other specialists want. I think it has less to do with the European / Import breeders bashing out dogs, than it does we, as a group are not breeding dogs the public wants. We have become too focused on sidegait , at the sacrifice of the rest of the Standard. I can only speak for what I have seen in our part of the county. As far as the Import breeders bashing our dogs, well the US breeders do a fair amount of that right back to them. So I guess both sides can be guilty of that. We attended a specialty not to long ago with Mr. Kappo. There was quite a bit of general public watching the show , as it was at a hotel. People filtering out to see what was going on, which I like . I brought Kappo off the grooming table (or he brought me, lol) and the number of John Q. Public that surrounded him was actually quite astonishing to me. Kappo thought it was quite fun , lol. To a person they were clearly enamored of his color, bone and masculinity.. then the personality..rock solid and goofy. lol. We now have several people on a waiting list for his puppies directly as a result of that one show. People like pretty, they like plushy and they recognize solid character, even if they don't know precisely why. The public may not be able to quote the Standard, but they know what they like. I think we need to pay more attention to that. Your mileage may vary. It is one reason the european show line dogs are so popular. Do I like all of them? No. I find that many of the import dogs are not at all to my liking in conformation, not by a longshot. **Also keep in mind I am not speaking about the eastern European type working dogs, the bi color and sable dogs with the uber high drives , like will be seen at the World Trial, for instance. I am speaking of the "showline" black and red , rich black/tan dogs, .** But people often get a tremendous amount of money for the puppies (more than it would cost us to IMPORT one!!) They get it because the parents are solid, and the puppies are undeniably gorgeous..really gorgeous. The public can't get enough of them, and they don't give a whit about sidegait. IMVVHO I believe some breeders have forgotten about the total package. I can't think of a single person that got their first GSD because they were so jazzed about "sidegait" and "angulation" . As I remember most of us got our first GSD because of the very qualities we seem to be missing in a large proportion of them, these days... Type, Temperament, Character, Trainability, Courage. But the Public remembers.. Again only my opinion. But I think Linda makes some VERY VALID points. Kathy *http://www.victorygermanshepherds.com* *Updated: June 2013* *CH. Elvaston's Nations Cup TC, 26 BOBs CH. Victory's Leviathan **Kappo von Eisenwerk* *RBIF Monarch's Tarragon v Kaleef* * * *"Victory...*Vires et honestas" >>>>>>On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 6:33 AM, Linda Bankhead < lindabankhead44@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Conformation Entries have been steadily dropping AT ALL SHOWS for many many > years. The lowering conformation entry EVERY YEAR at our National > (REGARDLESS of location) is also a fact. > My opinion below relates more to specialty rings: > > - We are the only breed where it is desirable for our dogs to pull and > charge out at the end of a 6 to 10 ft lead. An owner handler will not > be > successful for this reason. > > > - Our dogs are not attractive to some in the general public. They > prefer the German style, less rear angulation and frankly the people > breeding the working dogs have done a very good job of trashing our > temperament and "part frog" animals. This has diminished our pet market > and ability to find pet homes. We find homes, but those who breed > working > lines are getting significant money for those puppies vs American > breeding's. > > > > > > > > > ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2012. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. 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