You've been in the breed for a long time. You've seen many of the greats. You've seen great movement and so you know it when you see it. Is that the case for everyone? Maybe it isn't? Have you ever sat ringside and disagreed with anyone about movement, or just a dog in general? If two people disagree about a GSD, who is right and how can you prove it? The standard calls for specific angles. Whether or not you look for them doesn't discount the fact that they can prove that your opinion is right. Those called for angles are responsible for giving us dogs that move so well. Without them, what you think is a great moving dog, might not have ever existed. Like most people, I watch a dog and can decide if I like it or not, without having to measure angles. However, when I see one that doesn't move quite correctly, I like to figure out why. If someone disagrees with what I like, its nice to be able to explain why I think what I think. It seems from my private email that quite a few people do study, or at least like to read about angles. I trust that they will quit reading the posts before they get too cross-eyed. Tom Langlitz ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - In a message dated 3/21/2005 7:33:10 AM Central Standard Time, Danannkennel@xxxxxxx writes: I have never really been concerned with all of this. if i like what I see in movement it doesn't really make a whole lot of difference to me what the angle is. Same in judging. Seriously explain to the new people in the breed how they should be using all this info that is being given out because I imagine there are a lot with crossed blurry eyes about now ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================