I agree with Tom. No, we don't measure angles...but we do need to understand them, even if only in our subconscious... and while it is possible to see and appreciate beautiful movement, it does help to understand what makes that movement beautiful, so that we can explain it if we have to. Personally, I'd love to sit with Chuck or one of a few other people and watch a really large entry of quality dogs and exchange ideas with the dogs in front of us. As it is, sometimes I'm not sure we're all talking about the same angles, but if we were talking with dogs in front of us there'd be less confusion. In any case, it never hurts to have these discussions...just look at how much thought people are giving the topic! Peggy Gsdman2@xxxxxxx wrote: >You've been in the breed for a long time. You've seen many of the greats. >You've seen great movement and so you know it when you see it. Is that the >case for everyone? Maybe it isn't? Have you ever sat ringside and disagreed >with anyone about movement, or just a dog in general? >If two people disagree about a GSD, who is right and how can you prove it? >The standard calls for specific angles. Whether or not you look for them >doesn't discount the fact that they can prove that your opinion is right. >Those >called for angles are responsible for giving us dogs that move so well. >Without >them, what you think is a great moving dog, might not have ever existed. > >Like most people, I watch a dog and can decide if I like it or not, without >having to measure angles. However, when I see one that doesn't move quite >correctly, I like to figure out why. If someone disagrees with what I like, >its >nice to be able to explain why I think what I think. It seems from my private >email that quite a few people do study, or at least like to read about angles. > >I trust that they will quit reading the posts before they get too cross-eyed. > > > ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================