I think you have all misread my original post. I asked for those who were into measuring angles to explain to novice people how to apply this to their breeding or to judging. If they don't measure up do you discard them ? Rather then just throw all this out there help them to understand how to use it and not just to justify your own opinion of a dog. Do these people keep animals that don't have the 45 , 90 degree angles or do you get rid of them.if you keep them how do you breed them etc. Sally The House of Nasdaq ROM Ch's Seiko, Adam & Ex http://danann.netfirms.com http://www.freewebs.com/embroiderybysally ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================