[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: movement/ levers
- From: Bill Basu <billgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: ANN SCHULTZ <edangsd@xxxxxxxxxxx>, marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx, carolynmckenna@xxxxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, denwil2007@xxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 16:19:27 -0700 (PDT)
Yes Ann you are correct!! That is what i call the "fake loose lead". For
correct loose lead procedure the dog has to be shown on a dead loose lead all
the way around the ring(not the last 5 steps). I find that judges that are
"really" committed to the loose lead as a means to determine true movement are
not fooled by the "fake loose lead" approach, whereas those that ask for the
loose lead because it is "fashionable" are apt to either forget about the loose
lead when the pressure gets on, or apply it selectively or are susceptible to
the the "fake loose lead".
Bill
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From: ANN SCHULTZ <edangsd@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: billgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; carolynmckenna@xxxxxxxxx;
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Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 4:08:17 PM
Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: movement/ levers
A loose lead is often a handler dropping the lead and the dog is still going
forward on its momentum . That proves nothing. A dog that runs a million
miles a hour can also look like it has good sidegait, but if it was put in slow
motion you would get a totally different picture. When is really amazing is
when a handler has to hand off one of their dogs and you see it with someone
else, it looks like a totally different dog and usually not for the
better. Ann
Bill Basu <billgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
As Carolyn, rightfully notes:
"A dog not shown on a loose leash can have this wasted motion well hidden by the
power of a handler's left arm".
A lesson for all those judges that DO NOT insist on a loose lead.
Bill
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From: Carolyn Martello
To: carolynmckenna@xxxxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; denwil2007@xxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 12:36:58 PM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: movement/ levers
Simply put for someone just learning..........think of the hock as a lever.
It should be able
to flex open wide and flex almost closed. If not.......it is no longer a
lever but a "locked"
peice of useless equipment ........
The key in looking for a good powerful hock that opens up properly is to ALSO
watch
for a "kick up" which is also incorrect and a waste of motion.....( think of
that as using
too much gasoline on a wasted trip ) A hock that goes way up off the ground
is
the same wasted motion that the lifting front is...and uses too much
energy....or gas...
A dog not shown on a loose leash can have this wasted motion well hidden by the
power of a handler's left arm.
It must be the smooth balanced flexing motion of efficiency that is truly in
sync with the
front. Hence the WASTED search for front extension if the rear is not the
exact same
driving force that the front is in it's extension to "catch" the ground with
the thrust off
the rear. With today's pices in gasoline........think ENERGY EFFICIENT!
Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.Marhaven.com
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From: carolyn mckenna
To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ; denwil2007@xxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 12:10 PM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: movement....NOT!
Denise, The hock joint connects the metatarsus to the lower
thigh. Standing, the metatarsus is perpendicular to the ground and
at a 90% angle to the lower thigh. A locked hock is one that keeps
this position when moving; it is locked in this position. With
proper drive and at full extension the bones of the leg should form
a straight line from the pad to the top of the pelvis with no bend
in the hock joint. The same is true of the front: from pad to the
top of the shoulder blade should form a straight line with no bend
at the elbow. A good place to see many moving dogs and compare is
www.sara nugent.com. Click on candids and movement. There are some
locked hocks there and the dogs are not identified so no one is
offended.
Carolyn
--- On Sat, 7/12/08, Denise Williams wrote:
> From: Denise Williams
> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: movement....NOT!
> To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Saturday, July 12, 2008, 1:40 PM
> What's a locked hock?
> One of the beautiful things about the list is I get to talk
> to folks abouts gsds that I might never ever see.
> The bad thing is I can't always=A0picture what's
> described here.
> Denise W
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> for show and performance
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> From: Carolyn Martello
> To: Ketchy@xxxxxxxxxx; The List
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> Cc: ELG440@xxxxxxx
> Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 2:26:28 PM
> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: movement....NOT!
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> I say, if they have a locked hock, let's eat them. It
> solves the=A0 problem inthe breed,=20
> and cuts down on our food bill at the same time=A0 =A0 =A0 A
> win/win situation.=A0 Evan
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> Evan,That won't work--we'll never have another
> major at=A0 a dog show,=A0 since there=20
> are a heck of a lot of locked hocks being shown!=A0 hehehe
> Penny in NY
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> That seems to be the case at many shows.=A0 =A0 It appears to
> me that in the
> fascination for seeking the extra inch of front
> extension..... our Breed is seriously
> lacking in it's major force of movement.......the
> powerful rear thrust from a correct
> and powerful driving rear......and a good back to transmit
> that power through to=20
> the front.=A0 The best solution for many of the dogs is to
> rotate the stifle outward in
> the rear follow through=A0 to keep from dragging it's
> toes.....
> A dog like that cannot stop and twist and turn to herd
> sheep....and we are losing
> the tails as rudders for balance.......they are more like a
> dead flopping rag.
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> No wonder our handlers are holding the dogs up and holding
> them together to
> navigate a few turns around the ring.=A0 =A0 No wonder
> we're dependent upon our
> handlers to have a powerful left arm......we don't have
> that power in our dogs.
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> Kill me now................ ......I'm useless
> on the food chain anyway.=A0
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