[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: movement/ levers
- From: Cinosam GSD <cinosamgsd@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: "'Showgsd-L@Freelists. Org'" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 10:17:02 -0700 (PDT)
It isn't necessarily the handlers attempt to disguise a fault. Some dogs start
out like a bat out of hell then slow down once they hit their stride. IMO if a
judge wants to see a dog's true gait they will ask for a loose lead and ask the
handler to make two turns around the ring.....especially if the dog is not
settled in the first go round.
I've never understood if a dog has a horrible pass, why a judge doesn't ask
the dog to go around the ring again (a good handler would insist on it). I'm
sure someone will explain it to me. :o)
Cindy
Liane Fossland <lfossland@xxxxxxx> wrote:
Well, yes, that makes sense, however, if the judge asks for a loose lead why
would he be content with the handler starting out with a tight lead
especially if the entire ring is not being used?
I suppose this is what separates the good judges from the bad, huh?
Lee F.
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From: Bill Basu [mailto:billgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 9:22 AM
To: lfossland@xxxxxxx; RockyLizard@xxxxxxxxxxx; Showgsd-L@Freelists. Org
Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: movement/ levers
The "fake loose lead" is created by starting out the dog on the tight lead
with the dog pulling against the lead creating the illusion that the dog has
rear drive, once the dog/handler have created a lot of momentum as a result
of the dog pulling against the lead, the handler takes the tension of the
lead for a very short time and uses the dogs momentum for the dog to
continue to move forward. The handler can only take this tension off for a
few steps as the dogs momentum will only carry the illusion of continued
movement for a few steps(unless of course the dog is well constructed and
can continue). The end result is you get a dog on the loose lead for 5 steps
and look at the judge and say VOILA! i gave you the loose lead.
Bill
----- Original Message ----
From: Liane Fossland
To: RockyLizard@xxxxxxxxxxx; "Showgsd-L@Freelists. Org"
Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 8:57:15 AM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: movement/ levers
That would be a good idea, Liz.
But I would like for Bill to explain what he really means by "fake loose
lead" approach other than having to go all the way around the ring. This
certainly would not apply to the National as all dogs are given the single
"once around the ring". What do you think is lacking?
Lee F.
-----Original Message-----
From: showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Liz
Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 4:29 PM
To: Showgsd-L@Freelists. Org
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: movement/ levers
Can anyone tell me why GSD no longer show at all three speeds--a walk, a
slower trot, and a faster trot? I think if we did that some of the faults
of gait that show (and win) these days would be much more obvious.
Just wondering...
Liz in Utah
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Basu"
To: "ANN SCHULTZ" ; ;
; ;
Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 5:19 PM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: movement/ levers
> Yes Ann you are correct!! That is what i call the "fake loose lead". For
> correct loose lead procedure the dog has to be shown on a dead loose lead
> all the way around the ring(not the last 5 steps). I find that judges that
> are "really" committed to the loose lead as a means to determine true
> movement are not fooled by the "fake loose lead" approach, whereas those
> that ask for the loose lead because it is "fashionable" are apt to either
> forget about the loose lead when the pressure gets on, or apply it
> selectively or are susceptible to the the "fake loose lead".
> Bill
>
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