The "fake loose lead" is created by starting out the dog on the tight lead with the dog pulling against the lead creating the illusion that the dog has rear drive, once the dog/handler have created a lot of momentum as a result of the dog pulling against the lead, the handler takes the tension of the lead for a very short time and uses the dogs momentum for the dog to continue to move forward. The handler can only take this tension off for a few steps as the dogs momentum will only carry the illusion of continued movement for a few steps(unless of course the dog is well constructed and can continue). The end result is you get a dog on the loose lead for 5 steps and look at the judge and say VOILA! i gave you the loose lead. Bill ----- Original Message ---- From: Liane Fossland <lfossland@xxxxxxx> To: RockyLizard@xxxxxxxxxxx; "Showgsd-L@Freelists. Org" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 8:57:15 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: movement/ levers That would be a good idea, Liz. But I would like for Bill to explain what he really means by "fake loose lead" approach other than having to go all the way around the ring. This certainly would not apply to the National as all dogs are given the single "once around the ring". What do you think is lacking? Lee F. -----Original Message----- From: showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Liz Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 4:29 PM To: Showgsd-L@Freelists. Org Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: movement/ levers Can anyone tell me why GSD no longer show at all three speeds--a walk, a slower trot, and a faster trot? I think if we did that some of the faults of gait that show (and win) these days would be much more obvious. Just wondering... Liz in Utah ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Basu" <billgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: "ANN SCHULTZ" <edangsd@xxxxxxxxxxx>; <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <carolynmckenna@xxxxxxxxx>; <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <denwil2007@xxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 5:19 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: movement/ levers > Yes Ann you are correct!! That is what i call the "fake loose lead". For > correct loose lead procedure the dog has to be shown on a dead loose lead > all the way around the ring(not the last 5 steps). I find that judges that > are "really" committed to the loose lead as a means to determine true > movement are not fooled by the "fake loose lead" approach, whereas those > that ask for the loose lead because it is "fashionable" are apt to either > forget about the loose lead when the pressure gets on, or apply it > selectively or are susceptible to the the "fake loose lead". > Bill > ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. 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