[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: it's a dog show - not a horse race....
- From: "Donna" <onaluzlead@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 17:14:00 -0500
Ok agreeing with most of what is being said...here is another idea, to go
with so many of these comments. In watching the videos from the Futurities
and then the Nationals, I kept wondering...I wonder if the judge when they
watch this, see's it differently. I questioned that did they think they saw
this or that, on that day because of the way the dog was presented and then
did they think they Didn't see this or that...so in wondering that...I
wonder if the judge agree'd to it...would they want like in most
professional sports, instant replay. When watching some dogs, you think wow
look at that shoulder, and then you slow it down and realize, hmmm not what
I thought. Then you look at some rears that appear to be correct, when in
fact most of these dogs running in your backyard loose with no lead and no
speed would create a total different picture. Most of the time the speed
gives the appearance of the shoulder looking better because the rear is
driving so hard and it appears that the shoulder is throwing itself out
there...then you also realize we focuses so much on follow through that some
are kicking up so high we look like a different breed. What happened to
close to the ground covering gait? So, back to the point, what about instant
replay? There are 2 video camera's going at a National. Most Futurities have
one...but the idea would help enable the judge to see things as they really
are and not as we make them think they are seeing. (This of course is the
breeder in me speaking, the handler is in another room getting ready to
leave for Thanksgiving)...haha So, any idea's or input? I am just curious...
Again Happy Thanksgiving to all...and when you watch the dog show tomorrow,
you will see Leslie with Tiki, in the group...she went....ahhhh I will let
you see it and not tell.
Donna
Aramist Kennels aka THE GIRLZ
Home of many CH. Sel. Ex's, GVX, ROM's and wonderful pets too...
www.girlzofaramist.com
GSD's for the Past, Present and Future of our breed...
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Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 4:49 PM
To: Kay Reamensnyder; Laurie Pruett; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: it's a dog show - not a horse race....
Kay. I think we are on the same page here..but just to clarify.Yes
athleticism is a requirement for handling a GSD. However, in my humble
opinion, handlers should handle..breeders should be breeders and
occasionally you run into a breeder/handler.We have done both..use
handlers..and handle our own dogs successfully.However, I liken hiring a
handler to hiring a jockey to ride a horse. I am the breeder and trainer of
the horse..I should know as the breeder and trainer how that horse needs to
be ridden..what races are good for him..when he is in peak condition..I
don't rely on the jockey to tell me this. Dogs to me are like this. We are
the breeders, trainers of the dogs. I know when I think they are ready. I
hire a handler..he takes my dog..I see it in the ring with competition..it
is either thumbs up or down..depending..not on if I win..but how I think
the dog looks compared to my competition. Even if I am hiring a handler to
train my dog..if I get to the show..and the dog doesn't look good, doesn't
perform well..it is either time to go a new direction or put the dog away
until it is ready.If I hire a handler and have my dog in residence the
handler and am unable to go to shows where my dog is being shown..and I
keep losing, then I am going to ask people ringside what the dog looks like
and I am going to ask them to be brutally honest.I am not going to ask the
handler. If my dog is shown 6 times under 6 different judges and
loses..time to re-evaluate the situation. The handler doesn't tell me this,
I know when my dog looks good.or bad. If I truly feel it is a good
one..then perhaps it is immature and needs to be put up awhile. If it is
mature..in good coat and condition then maybe it just isn't as good as I
thought it was! Why waste my hard earned money showing a dog that is
continually losing? the only person the benefits from this is the handler!.
This was the point of my original post. it wasn't about whether or not a
handler is needed..it was about knowing your own dogs..knowing the
judges..knowing when to "hold 'em and when to fold"em..becoming
knowledgeable about your dogs, about showing, grooming, conditioning,
training, learning how to evaluate what to breed to..what not to..how to
evaluate your own puppies without relying on someone from the outside to do
so..in other words being more hands on with your dogs and their careers and
becoming a true "dog" person as opposed to throwing money at it and calling
yourself a "dog" person when in fact the handler makes all your choices!
Christine
> [Original Message]
> From: Kay Reamensnyder <bedkar@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Laurie
Pruett <pruett@xxxxxxxxx>; <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: 11/22/2006 3:16:10 PM
> Subject: RE: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: it's a dog show - not a horse race....
>
> I think we need to acknowledge that the German Shepherd Dog
> is a physically demanding dog to show........there are too many of
> us that are older and not physically capable of showing these dogs.
> Does that mean I should give up exhibiting GSD just because I am
> not physically capable.
>
>
>
> That being said.......Judges should never assume that handlers have the
> best dogs
> just because they are good at what they do. Take the time to look at
> everyone and
> be honest in your selection. Anyone with the years of experience it takes
> to "judge"
> can tell a "good" dog regardless of who is showing it. If a judge puts up
> a "lesser"
> animal because of a handler, shame on the judge.
>
> One of the biggest problems in breeding/exhibiting today is
MONEY..........
> it you have enough, you can go right to the top of the heap....enough
said.
>
>
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