[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: it's a dog show - not a horse race....
- From: "" <hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "Beryl Eshom" <arelee_1020@xxxxxxxxxxx>, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 10:46:27 -0600
Hi..the quote about the three categories of breeders and the "wealthy
novice" can be found in chapter 5 on page 91..on page 90 he begins the
discussion about the "3 categories of the GSD fancy" As to the below about
the different judging style that you witnessed.. Early in the book there is
a discussion about the extensive gaiting that was used by von Stephanitz in
1925 when he put up Klodo v Boxberg Sgr., but no mention of walking. Just a
note.. the judging of this class took two days!.this dog also finished in
the US when he was purchased..perhaps this is why judges feel extensive
gaiting is needed so that weaknesses of gait are exposed. It also states
that temperament was severely examined. Seems like the founder of our breed
couldn't even find the best dog in such a large class in one or two passes
around the ring..what took him two days..takes some two minutes! Christine
> [Original Message]
> From: Beryl Eshom <arelee_1020@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: 11/24/2006 9:53:44 PM
> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: it's a dog show - not a horse race....
>
> Hi Christine,
> Your post jogged my memory, so I checked my bookcase in my office. The
> whole bookcase is nothing but books related to dogs, canine health etc. I
do
> have the 1967 Goldbecker and Hart.. Which chapter was the quote you used
in?
> I assume it might be either chapter 17 or 18.
> Umpteem years ago the regional club I belonged to had Goldbecker judge
their
> specialty. Those where the days(late 60's or early 70's) that most classes
> had 25 or more dogs in each class, and we often hired two judges. I don't
> recall positively who judged bitches that day, but Goldbecker did dogs. He
> walked the dogs for quite some time, only gaited them after he had
dismissed
> a good number in each class. I do remember vividly, the walk, walk, walk,
> what seemed like forever.
> It was in contrast to the other judge, H.R.(Bob) Nelson who gaited the
> bitches at full speed for a very long time. If I recall correctly they
were
> either on the same weekend, or possibly at another show, same club, same
> grounds. Way to many years ago. The point being the contrast in judging
> procedure, walk vs. gait.
>
> Beryl Eshom
> Arelee GSD
> Davis, Ca.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "Kay Reamensnyder" <bedkar@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Laurie Pruett"
> <pruett@xxxxxxxxx>; <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 8:10 AM
> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: it's a dog show - not a horse race....
>
>
> > This morning I couldn't sleep, so I decided to practice what I preach
and
> > "re-educate" myself about the breed. I began reading the 1967 Goldbecker
> > and Hart book "This is the German Shepherd" What a book of prophecy.
Most
> > on this List would find this book "politically" incorrect as it speaks
of
> > destroying all dogs that display poor temperament, eradicating all
animals
> > who have fertility issues and who lack vigor and failure to disclose
> > honestly those health issues or other problems your lines might posses.
It
> > addresses dishonest judges and ignorant judges.( and yes despite what
some
> > write on the List..Hart and Goldbecker felt there were in fact dishonest
> > judges and probably more poor judges than good ones!) What I found very
> > timely was a few paragraphs in this book that addressed the Novice,
> Amateur
> > and Professional breeder. The book describes the novice as being the
most
> > detrimental( but we do need new people and they point this out) to the
> > breed as they often do not have the knowledge of pedigrees of either the
> > bitch or the dam before they embark on breeding.They often listen to
> > "pseudo" professional advice given by "self-proclaimed authorities"
> instead
> > of those who have actually bred dogs of value. Amateur breeders in their
> > opinions were the true backbone and students of the breed..professional
> > breeders could also be knowledgeable, but could also be governed by
market
> > value of animals and mass producing. The below is very relevant to Kay's
> > post and I quote FROM THE BOOK only rephrasing some sentences for
> > clarity....
> >
> > " By far the greatest menace to the future of the breed is the wealthy
> > novice...The wealthy novice blunders arrogantly forward by virtue of
they
> > authority vested in him by his bank books..unhampered by
knowledge..breeds
> > indiscriminately, producing litter after litter of worthless stock. by
law
> > of averages an occasional animal is produced of merit. Show classes are
> > crammed with other mediocre stock and the dogs are shipped with pro
> > handlers to parts of the country where major wins can be made with fewer
> > entires, the wealthy novice soon has champions which are extensively
> > advertised at stud for other novices to breed to. In the end this
"novice"
> > suddenly blossoms out as a full blown "authority" and judge."
> > Again..this was written in 1967 it is only one excerpt from a book
that
> > may not be politically current..but is brutally honest, written by two
men
> > who obviously cared enough about the breed to not worry about who might
> > find their truthful words offensive!.In my opinion it is even more
> relevant
> > today than in 1967. I strongly suggest..if you haven't read this book
you
> > need to.If it is out of print borrow it. I found it to be a breath of
> fresh
> > air..and will finish reading it again cover to cover. It certainly will
> > make me re-examine my breeding program and strive for further
improvement!
> > Christine Grainge
>
>
>
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