Many people still showing dogs are baby boomers who are retiring and on fixed income. They will not have the disposable income they once had. The way we like to have our dog shown, at the end of the lead going like a bat out of hell, is not within our physical ability. We have not brought young people into the breed. They are in the German Style ring. I have no idea why this is but that is where they are.It is not a money thing because they spend in the thousands for both their dogs and their training. Some how the American German Shepherd folks let them down. We do darn little to promote the American German Shepherd Dog. Other exhibitors of other breeds think we are nuts. You try to start a conversation about how to reach young people and what you get is WELL NO ONE HELPED ME. Here is a clue people Youth doesn't care about how hard you have had it. But it is our responsibility to feed a spark of interest if we can find it in the the young. All of this and we still are the viewers choice among the views of the AKC National show. Amazing. That tells me that the opportunity is there if we can find a way to take it. Merry Christmas, Terry Jane Kerner <jkerner@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: Could we think about some other factors for a moment also? As Jeff indicates rightly, oft times handlers and their clients help to build entries to make a major.....and they do so unselfishly, knowing that they may not be awarded the points at a given show. So also, some folks decide to pull their entry when they discover which other dogs are entered at a show. Not often, but sometimes. Additionally, if a handler chooses not to go to a specific series of shows, it means that most of his clients will not go either. This diminishes the numbers of entries because: Where a handler goes, his string of clients usually go. Sometimes, but not very often, a client may choose to hire another handler and go to the shows anyway. (Provided the other handlers have not already booked their own steady clients or have the classes filled because they have built the entry to make the major. A handler is not usually willing to take another handler's client/dog instead of his own client's dog if the choice has to be made.) And sometimes the handler has his own breeding program to advance............... so he/she is currently campaigning his/her own dogs or those dogs in which he has an invested interest. And almost everyone involved, because of expense and other numerous reasons, do not enter shows randomly. Clients usually enter because they believe they have a reasonable opportunity to win the points. Otherwise, they sometimes think, why go if not to win the points. It is too expensive to just "give the dog ring experience" most of the time. There are other reasons, of course, why entries are low. What do you suppose these other reasons might be? Jane Kerner ----- Original Message ----- From: caggra@xxxxxxx To: edangsd@xxxxxxxxxxx ; sally@xxxxxxxxxxx ; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 12:12 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: interesting Oh...and I forgot to add that the major show in Cleveland last weekend, Nick & I showed like 13 dogs that day to help build a major.....we did not get a major. Others did. So it had nothing to do with us getting others to enter so that we would benefit from it. There are people out there that do not do everything selfishly. We could have gotten one of the majors and that would have been great...would have finished one of a couple of the dogs we showed. It didn't happen though and we are thrilled for the winner's. They were nice dogs too. It could have gone either way and next time if karma is on our side, maybe it will go our way. :) Jeff -----Original Message----- From: edangsd@xxxxxxxxxxx To: sally@xxxxxxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 12:57 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: interesting Hi Sally, we always have majors at the N Indiana and Michigan specialty shows. Yes, sometimes we have to build them, but good judges usually bring a major entry. I find that often majors are built by handlers that do well under certain judges at the all breeds, not that the judges are always good. There are some good all breed judges out there though. They are crossing over in fewer and fewer shows, mostly at the all breeds. I did go WB at one specialty this fall though and it was one point in dogs and the judge didn't cross ove rfor the major, which is a rareity. . A few years ago I was at a specialty and it was two in dogs and four in bitches and a well known judge was judging. In breed he gave the bitch BOW and well known handler of WD said out loud, but it's not a major for the dog. The judge then said, Oh I mean the dog is BOW. That would never happen at an all breed. JMO Ann Sally wrote: I find it interesting that many people are out there encouraging building majors at the allbreeds shows but (except for Sheila) you rarely see anyone encouraging entries for specialty shows- Sally www.embroiderybysally.com (new) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. 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