I assume you are "supposed" to..but often you judge what you look at everyday. If you are a terrier person doing shepherds..then straight fronts a rears look ok on a GSD...if you are a mastiff person..then a soft back is ok in a GSD...For me..it is hard to look at a breed with a soft back..even though I know it may be acceptable and even correct for that breeds standard.If I feel that way..perhaps those who judge GSD's with a background in another breed impose their own breeds standards on GSD's! Since many other breeds lack our angulation front and rear and our movement is unique to our breed.WE are the ones who are different..and getting all-breed judges to learn and recognize that difference a constant work in progress. I have always heard that if you can breed GSD's successfully, you can find good ones in others breeds too.I have found that to be a pretty reliable statement.Christine > [Original Message] > From: Barbara or DTA Amidon <amidon@xxxxxxxxx> > To: <cudjoegsd@xxxxxxxxxxx> > Cc: <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Date: 12/20/2006 7:46:42 AM > Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: interesting > > About all breed Judges being educated???Arent they suppose to know the breed before they apply to Judge??? > > www.amber-german-shepherds.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: D.D. and Bonnie Ardoin > Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 7:34 AM > To: gsd4meee@xxxxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: interesting > > Randy- You hit the nail on the head. EDUCATION is the answer. The parent > club needs to get more involved in preparing a standardized seminar > presentation so that better information is provided to the people who give a > GSD seminar. Helen Gleason is the Education chairperson and is working on > such a presentation. I hope it is finished soon. D.D. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Randy Hamm" <gsd4meee@xxxxxxxxx> > To: <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 12:04 AM > Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: interesting > > > > > > LeBrowngsd@xxxxxxx wrote: > > > > > > > *************************************************************************** > > > > Most AB judges don't know > > what to do with it since it is different so they pass on it. I saw that at > one > > of these shows that I was, a beautiful moving bitch with ground covering > > suspended sidegait was placed last in a class of about 8. She should have > be the > > easy winner of that class. That could be the reason some pass on bringing > > their good ones to AB judges in the AB ring. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------ > > > > This is very true. But we have only us to blame for AB judges not > knowing a good moving animal. We don't have a good illustrated standard. We > don't have enough > > Seminars that are spread over the country. I have been to several breed > seminars > > and almost all of them have fantastic illustrated standers of there > breed. Several people to talk to and many many animals to go over and watch > move. Not just the ones they are showing. For some reason ALLOT of GSD > people just want to keep the breed to a small group of people and then > complain about small entry's. > > All you ever hear is most of the AB judges don't know a good GSD. > > Well folks maybe it's the teachers fault. And that can be fixed. > > Just food for thought > > Randy Hamm > > > > > ============================================================================ > > POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the > original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS > of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author > AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. > > > > ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY > MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS > PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY > FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. 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