I will ask admin if it's o.k. to discuss lines of dogs that are no longer living and the breeder no longer breeding. BUT, that said, my first thought of improvement was to gain movement and elegance. Lost some traits, but hoped to pick those up with the pups, pups, so bred to a male that incorporated a much better head (underjaw), more bone throughout, and along with the front and elgance I picked up, it was coming together. STILL would reach for a shorter coupling, better feet, shorter hocks and more consisten pigments. Temperament is fine, but understand Fred's thought about that Bold, Confidence. Maybe we were so concerned about the "family" pet that our shepherds lost some of that BOLD. But if I, a real newby, could work to improve, and did it, by watching, reading, listening and doing it with the dogs available here???? I am NOT saying that the same traits couldn't be incorporated with imports, Czech, Australian, Chinese, if you will, but it CAN be done with what we have produced, too, can't it? I would love to discuss the lines that made the poor feet dominant, the snipey heads dominant, the long backs dominant, so others could avoid those lines. And I could watch for them if I ever decided to encourage a breeding. AND the lines that created those beautiful heads and the elegant necks. Are they one and the same? or a specific ancestor? Stormy In a message dated 1/7/05 10:41:01 AM, EKOLAN1@xxxxxxx writes: > In a message dated 1/7/2005 8:54:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, > willowlakegsd@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: > > OK I'll bite...What are you looking for in a German Stud Dog that you > > cannnot find in an American stud Dog? > > > > That would be dog or bitch. > I am looking to Improve Feet, Pasterns, Ligamentation, Secondary sex > characteristics, Backs > [Hard not humped ] but mostly Hard Bold Confident Temperament [ Without > being aggressive ] and in the process not lose the American style and > ability to > compete successfuly in the American show ring. > *^*\/\/\/\/*^**^*\/\/\/\/*^**^*\/\/\/\/*^* Dog's love is different, it requires no return www.FairhopeGSD.com ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================