Hi Jackie; < 1 > While it is not all that matters....the gait of the GSD is a big part of the Breed Standard. Personally I love that part too..... The Breed Standard IS the ruler by which we measure the Breed. We can all be proud of all the 'work' this Breed is utilized for. Like many...we have had several dogs utiilized as Guide Dogs, Search & Rescue dogs and now Service dogs and Therapy dogs. Just no one bothers to advertise that side of their breeding program as usually conformation IS our chosen venue. None of us do everything the same. < 2 > Possibly those of us that do herd consider watching a GSD style of herding to be "premier" I would rather watch a GSD herd sheep any day....as compared to a Border Collie. The "PEOPLE" issue of no doint no real.intense SchH training does not mean the dogs don't have it....it's just that WE don't!! But many with intense working dogs could care less how they gait.......or if they win Championship Titles either. Who's right or wrong? Training a top working dog can be done with many Breeds....and even mix breeds.....not the case with GSD Champions. < 3 > Did you have to go the Czech / West German dogs and people to find those that do both? Possibly because it is "Mandatory".....many send their dogs out to be trained?? Sorry you are tired of hearing about the money and time...but alas both are an issue with many of us as well as family obligations. Possibly the same can be said for those with top working dogs not bringing them to compete at our Nationals and shows and Futurities with those dogs? < 4 > Actually yhere are quite a few that have chosen to do both and are successful in their endeavors of putting Titles on many Champions and more than a couple of Grand Victors and Grand Victrixes and Select dogs. Quite a few of these top Champions have the working titles you mentioned. AND it is not mandatory!! Hope we soon see that many Championships on the top working dogs! It seems more rare indeed than the other way around. The point is.......it should always remain a choice!! This is a sport....a pasttime...a passion...not a thick rule book........ Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.Marhaven.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Jackie Short To: Showgsd Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 1:48 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: "Working Class". Dogs and people. Select.....and conformation people are not all that interested in difficult working titles.* <1 > I can admit I find the former sadder than the latter. I personally get tired of hearing "The GSD is a trotting breed", because that is not what the breed was meant to be in it's entirety. The GSD was meant to be the quintessential utilitarian *working* dog. Jack of all trades, master of none. <2> He is not supposed to be the premier herding dog...the BC cornered tha market long ago. He is supposed to be the dog that can work as a service dog, a patrol dog, a narcotics dog, a good pet, etc. All of these jobs require nerve strength, hardness, biddability, etc. Drives are what make a dog easy to work with, and a dog with terribly low/no prey drive, and no ball drive, no food drive or pack drive equates to a gigantic headache to train...in any venue. < 3> BTW, the working line people that have their Czech/DDR/West German dogs do both. They receive their Koer ratings as well as their show ratings and working titles....so do the show line people. Because it's mandatory. They make it work. Sorry, I'm just tired of hearing about the money. I know how it is with money...we all wish we had more of it, but if the "other half" of our breed can do it (and it pains me to say that), it shouldn't be held up as a reason for not doing more. * * < 4 > *It is rare indeed to find anyone working their rear off to put any working titles on the same dog they are beating themselves up working on and conditioning and driving miles for and spending money on to put Championship and Select titles on. * Count me in that rare group, then. It is my hope that I will but an HI (Not HIC, HI) on my little bitch, as well as many agility titles, and perhaps an obedience title or two. 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