In a message dated 3/12/11 4:19:45 AM Pacific Standard Time, Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx writes: Anybody who knows me knows that I am equally at home in both rings, BUT I also want to have, structurally, a VERY GOOD DOG in either ring (and pretty..Ok I'll admit it, they need to be pretty lol). Heck, I want a gorgeous dog walking with me in the park or laying in front of the fireplace. I agree, but it never has been a two-way street. At conformation shows when we used to have obedience, we always had the obedience winner come into the conformation ring, and show off what they could do, everyone applauded. I suggested one time that we take our Best of Breed winner over to the obedience ring and have them stack and be shown off. Everyone laughed at that. The conformation clubs always tried to put on obedience, but the working clubs, never offered conformation. Now, it seems like a good idea to have a working dog class, but, in my mind, to what end. We judge conformation to a standard, that is set to determine the best structure of our breed to do the work they are supposed to do. That is called conformation judging. We did require no disqualifying faults for the obedience victor and victrix at the national, (another idea I did not like). If a dog can do the work, why disqualify him for a hanging ear or being white, unless he/she is entered in conformation). If they do the work better than any other dog, so be it. They should get the award. I see no value in a working dog class at our national. If the entry matches the standard better than any other animal, it should win, not withstanding any record in the obedience or other ring. Untill we are ready to give conformation dogs entries in obedience without requiring them to do the work, let's not put in a class with a feature the judge can't judge. That is why I was against the OFA class. I agree with Select Excellent, it is a tool for breeding, but we never use it to judge the dogs. I don't believe we should have two types of dogs, but the better thing to do is require conformation judging, (meeting the standard), in the performance ring, than to do it the other way around. I know my position is not going to be popular, but that never has stopped me before. Evan Ginsburg Asgard German Shepherds http://www.asgardgsd.com/ Where Type Movement and Temperament come together ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================