Well said!
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Pam Stoesser <pkstoesser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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In general, we all have opinions and everyone (new or old) have a right to
theirs, even as we realize that some will be right and some will be wrong.
It’s the discussions that lead us to reach out beyond our experience and learn
from the experiences of others.
However, I do believe that we also have the obligation to post and discuss
with respect for the other person’s experiences and to not phrase our
discussions with accusatory language or words that come across as attacks.
Some of us communicate in full sentences even as our culture is moving toward
communications in short bursts of single words.
Short bursts are suited for factual information like “R U going to Sue’s?”.
This list sometimes uses those. But deeper conversations like how well our
dogs meet the breed standard require more thought and longer, thoughtful
sentences because the answer is now, and has always been after Max, “some do
and some don’t”. Those discussions are necessary between GSD folk and have
been for years because it’s how we learn.
Without the Standard, there is a tendency to breed the dog for only one
purpose, whatever that might be so that a person gets a lighter, smaller dog
for one purpose or a dog that runs fast but doesn’t gait for another purpose.
Both of those are wrong, just as much as breeding a dog who gaits flat on it’s
hocks or whose back rumbles with every step. The GSD Standard describes an
efficient dog suitable for working long periods of time without tiring,
protective of the sheep and the shepherd and beautiful in motion because of
that efficiency. There SHOULD NOT BE a different standard for the
conformation dog, the working dog, or the performance dog.
If the people on this List can discuss differences respectfully and with an
intent to come closer to the breed standard, then is has a good purpose.
Otherwise, then each needs to consider whether continued participation is
worthwhile...
Just my opinion... Pam
From: Lyn Chernak
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 8:22 AM
To: dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ; Daphne@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ;
edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: We need MORE Sarah's
"Sarah" is one of many new and young fanciers of the breed. She like many
come to this list to learn and voice their opinion from what they know from
reading material available and seeing first hand at shows they attended. She
may be vocal with her opinions but so are others. We have all agreeded to
disagree when this started (back on AOL).
Instead of picking her apart with her comments concerning "down pasterns"
maybe the right thing to do is find out why or how this issue was so prevalent
that it caused a comment (and not the first time or first person). Why have
food formulas been posted here to help dogs/puppies with down pasterns? Why
have comments been made such as "show them in high grass and not indoors" if
there is no problem.
Have any of the issues that newbies question and make comparisons on become so
accepted in the American dogs that they are not seen as questionable?
New eyes and painful questions should always be taken into consideration or at
least heard with and open mind. To be followed with your own question .... why
do they ask that? What are they seeing that causes that question. This applies
not only to dogs, but to anything that is out there that has an ability to
change.
Lyn Chernak
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2015 09:05:08 -0400
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To: Daphne@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxx
CC: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: We need MORE Sarah's
I have read the post of Sarah and she came across saying that "American Lines"
had the pastern problems, she NEVER saw bad pasterns in the German/Working
lines. That kind of attitude is attacking and accusatory. If you really want
to learn then do so. I go to a lot of shows I don't see American Show dogs
having down pasterns. There may be a few that don't have the greatest feet
but there is no perfect dog, German, American or whatever. Down pasterns in
puppies is common and I can't believe german/working lines don't have that in
their puppies sometimes. There were some people who were trying to educate
her but she seemed like she had her mind made up. The people who breed
American Show lines breed the bad pasterns. ummm noooo. Everyone has their
opinion its how you express it that either irritates people or not.
MYJOY SHEPHERDS
Joyce Willis
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From: Daphne Hereford <Daphne@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: edwinx <edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Fri, Sep 11, 2015 7:57 am
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: We need MORE Sarah's
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I agree with you 100% Ed. Too often some on this list just “attack” and that
is just plain not nice. If the club wants younger folks to be there when we
are all gone, then maybe they should be nicer to them and mentor them without
attacking them. Just my opinion of course, because some of those same people
seem to get some sense of joy out of attacking me.
Daphne Hereford
AKC Breeder of Merit
RIN TIN TIN Line Dogs
www.HollywoodDogs.com
From: showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?]
On Behalf Of edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 6:26 PM
To: freelist
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] We need MORE Sarah's
We talk about growing the club with new young members! Sarah is exactly what
we need! 30 years from now most of US won't be here, but Sarah will! New folks
on the list sometimes go through a "learning curve" most of us know the spoken
and unspoken protocols we navigate to communicate with complete strangers so
to speak! Sarah appears to be strong willed and opinionated and that could be
said about 95% of most of the active posters on this list! Agree or disagree
with her is not the point! We need to be somewhat gentle with newer members of
the list.. It's okay to slam old farts like me! If we scare off all the new
folks pretty soon we'll just have Me and Evan posting all day telling everyone
insane, trivial , and useless things! How fun is that! We need to cut the new
folks some slack! Even though Sarah is a Patriot fan I'm willing to over
look it! FB
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