[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: WHITE DOGS
- From: "" <hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "D.D. and Bonnie Ardoin" <cudjoegsd@xxxxxxxxxxx>, "showgsd-l" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 11:21:52 -0500
The standard does say that the level or overshot bite is undesirable( again
not in italics in the standard book) BUT..Compete dentition is "preferred"
and any missing teeth other than first premolars(notice this is plural) is
a serious fault. this says to me that having first premolars is
desirable..but not a fault.HOWEVER any OTHER missing teeth other than these
2 first premolars is a "serious fault" Two missing premolars could be a
mitigating factor when two animals are in contention and are similar enough
that you have to use something to make the call..but not serious enough to
put up an animal who does exhibit a "fault" in some other area( as
described in the standard) over the animal who simply has a trait that is
"not preferred". This at least is how I am reading it. Christine
> [Original Message]
> From: D.D. and Bonnie Ardoin <cudjoegsd@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; showgsd-l <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: 8/25/2006 10:48:53 AM
> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: WHITE DOGS
>
> Good point Christine. I personally think an overshot animal will have
more
> problems with dietary and health issues than a dog with a missing premolar
> two. If you examine the mouth of a dog and when you close his mouth you
do
> not visualize his lower incisors, I think this is more of a problem than a
> missing tooth but I ,as a judge and follower of the Standard, cannot fault
> the overshot animal as I can the missing tooth specimen. Sometimes it is
> hard to judge to the Standard when you are personally in conflict with
your
> interpretation of same. D.D.
> ----- Original Message -----
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> To: "D.D. and Bonnie Ardoin" <cudjoegsd@xxxxxxxxxxx>; "showgsd-l"
> <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 10:22 AM
> Subject: RE: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: WHITE DOGS
>
>
> > DD..I went back and read my standard in.The AKC standard book"The
complete
> > Dog book..the Official Publication of the AKC".(.this one printed in
> > 1998),".faults", "serious faults" and "disqualifying faults" are
> emphasized
> > in italics.."preferred" or "undesirable", and "not as desirable" are not
> in
> > italics. this would lead me to believe that closer attention should be
> paid
> > to those traits which have been emphasized in the official standard
> > book...or at least that is how the AKC must look at it. Christine
Grainger
> >
> >
> > > [Original Message]
> > > From: D.D. and Bonnie Ardoin <cudjoegsd@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: <Gatlinp@xxxxxxx>; <Gsdbroon@xxxxxxx>; <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Date: 8/25/2006 7:09:44 AM
> > > Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: WHITE DOGS
> > >
> > > Peg-Apparently you mis read my e-mail. I was not suggesting that we
> > > consider DQ for undsirable but was thinking that we should apply more
> > > importance to the term. I am inclined to consider undesirable as
> possibly
> > > equal to Fault as the things they describe are, as Webster`s describes
> > > undesirable, "unwanted". D.D.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <Gatlinp@xxxxxxx>
> > > To: <cudjoegsd@xxxxxxxxxxx>; <Gsdbroon@xxxxxxx>;
> <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 2:50 PM
> > > Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: WHITE DOGS
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > In a message dated 8/24/2006 3:24:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > > > cudjoegsd@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:
> > > > After reading Tom`s informative post to the List, I can`t help
from
> > > > bringing up the subject of "undesirable" vs "Fault". The Standard
of
> > the
> > > > GSDCA goes from "undesirable" to "disqualified" in one Standard
> change.
> > > To
> > > > me this indicates that "undesirable" might be more serious that
> > > originally
> > > > thought. Is it just me or do you see this in the same light as I
do?
> > > > D.D.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Let's see then all bite problems Overshot , undershot and level
should
> > be
> > > > disqualified, long in loin (undue length between last rib and the
> thigh
> > > when
> > > > viewed from the side) is also listed as undesirable. Just food for
> > > thought. Peg
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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