[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: WHITE DOGS
- From: "" <hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "D.D. and Bonnie Ardoin" <cudjoegsd@xxxxxxxxxxx>, "showgsd-l" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 12:11:36 -0500
Correction to my last post."This.says to me that having missing first
premolars is NOT desirable, but if missing they, should not be considered a
"fault"..".You all knew what I meant..LOL..Christine
> [Original Message]
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> To: D.D. and Bonnie Ardoin <cudjoegsd@xxxxxxxxxxx>; showgsd-l
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> Date: 8/25/2006 11:22:43 AM
> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: WHITE DOGS
>
> The standard does say that the level or overshot bite is undesirable(
again
> not in italics in the standard book) BUT..Compete dentition is "preferred"
> and any missing teeth other than first premolars(notice this is plural) is
> a serious fault. this says to me that having first premolars is
> desirable..but not a fault.HOWEVER any OTHER missing teeth other than
these
> 2 first premolars is a "serious fault" Two missing premolars could be a
> mitigating factor when two animals are in contention and are similar
enough
> that you have to use something to make the call..but not serious enough to
> put up an animal who does exhibit a "fault" in some other area( as
> described in the standard) over the animal who simply has a trait that is
> "not preferred". This at least is how I am reading it. Christine
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: D.D. and Bonnie Ardoin <cudjoegsd@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; showgsd-l <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Date: 8/25/2006 10:48:53 AM
> > Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: WHITE DOGS
> >
> > Good point Christine. I personally think an overshot animal will have
> more
> > problems with dietary and health issues than a dog with a missing
premolar
> > two. If you examine the mouth of a dog and when you close his mouth you
> do
> > not visualize his lower incisors, I think this is more of a problem
than a
> > missing tooth but I ,as a judge and follower of the Standard, cannot
fault
> > the overshot animal as I can the missing tooth specimen. Sometimes it is
> > hard to judge to the Standard when you are personally in conflict with
> your
> > interpretation of same. D.D.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: "D.D. and Bonnie Ardoin" <cudjoegsd@xxxxxxxxxxx>; "showgsd-l"
> > <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 10:22 AM
> > Subject: RE: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: WHITE DOGS
> >
> >
> > > DD..I went back and read my standard in.The AKC standard book"The
> complete
> > > Dog book..the Official Publication of the AKC".(.this one printed in
> > > 1998),".faults", "serious faults" and "disqualifying faults" are
> > emphasized
> > > in italics.."preferred" or "undesirable", and "not as desirable" are
not
> > in
> > > italics. this would lead me to believe that closer attention should be
> > paid
> > > to those traits which have been emphasized in the official standard
> > > book...or at least that is how the AKC must look at it. Christine
> Grainger
> > >
> > >
> > > > [Original Message]
> > > > From: D.D. and Bonnie Ardoin <cudjoegsd@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > To: <Gatlinp@xxxxxxx>; <Gsdbroon@xxxxxxx>; <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Date: 8/25/2006 7:09:44 AM
> > > > Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: WHITE DOGS
> > > >
> > > > Peg-Apparently you mis read my e-mail. I was not suggesting that we
> > > > consider DQ for undsirable but was thinking that we should apply
more
> > > > importance to the term. I am inclined to consider undesirable as
> > possibly
> > > > equal to Fault as the things they describe are, as Webster`s
describes
> > > > undesirable, "unwanted". D.D.
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: <Gatlinp@xxxxxxx>
> > > > To: <cudjoegsd@xxxxxxxxxxx>; <Gsdbroon@xxxxxxx>;
> > <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 2:50 PM
> > > > Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: WHITE DOGS
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > In a message dated 8/24/2006 3:24:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > > > > cudjoegsd@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:
> > > > > After reading Tom`s informative post to the List, I can`t help
> from
> > > > > bringing up the subject of "undesirable" vs "Fault". The
Standard
> of
> > > the
> > > > > GSDCA goes from "undesirable" to "disqualified" in one Standard
> > change.
> > > > To
> > > > > me this indicates that "undesirable" might be more serious that
> > > > originally
> > > > > thought. Is it just me or do you see this in the same light as I
> do?
> > > > > D.D.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Let's see then all bite problems Overshot , undershot and level
> should
> > > be
> > > > > disqualified, long in loin (undue length between last rib and the
> > thigh
> > > > when
> > > > > viewed from the side) is also listed as undesirable. Just food for
> > > > thought. Peg
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
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