Good point Christine. I personally think an overshot animal will have more problems with dietary and health issues than a dog with a missing premolar two. If you examine the mouth of a dog and when you close his mouth you do not visualize his lower incisors, I think this is more of a problem than a missing tooth but I ,as a judge and follower of the Standard, cannot fault the overshot animal as I can the missing tooth specimen. Sometimes it is hard to judge to the Standard when you are personally in conflict with your interpretation of same. D.D. ----- Original Message ----- From: <hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: "D.D. and Bonnie Ardoin" <cudjoegsd@xxxxxxxxxxx>; "showgsd-l" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 10:22 AM Subject: RE: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: WHITE DOGS > DD..I went back and read my standard in.The AKC standard book"The complete > Dog book..the Official Publication of the AKC".(.this one printed in > 1998),".faults", "serious faults" and "disqualifying faults" are emphasized > in italics.."preferred" or "undesirable", and "not as desirable" are not in > italics. this would lead me to believe that closer attention should be paid > to those traits which have been emphasized in the official standard > book...or at least that is how the AKC must look at it. Christine Grainger > > > > [Original Message] > > From: D.D. and Bonnie Ardoin <cudjoegsd@xxxxxxxxxxx> > > To: <Gatlinp@xxxxxxx>; <Gsdbroon@xxxxxxx>; <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Date: 8/25/2006 7:09:44 AM > > Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: WHITE DOGS > > > > Peg-Apparently you mis read my e-mail. I was not suggesting that we > > consider DQ for undsirable but was thinking that we should apply more > > importance to the term. I am inclined to consider undesirable as possibly > > equal to Fault as the things they describe are, as Webster`s describes > > undesirable, "unwanted". D.D. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <Gatlinp@xxxxxxx> > > To: <cudjoegsd@xxxxxxxxxxx>; <Gsdbroon@xxxxxxx>; <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 2:50 PM > > Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: WHITE DOGS > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 8/24/2006 3:24:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > > cudjoegsd@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: > > > After reading Tom`s informative post to the List, I can`t help from > > > bringing up the subject of "undesirable" vs "Fault". The Standard of > the > > > GSDCA goes from "undesirable" to "disqualified" in one Standard change. > > To > > > me this indicates that "undesirable" might be more serious that > > originally > > > thought. Is it just me or do you see this in the same light as I do? > > > D.D. > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's see then all bite problems Overshot , undershot and level should > be > > > disqualified, long in loin (undue length between last rib and the thigh > > when > > > viewed from the side) is also listed as undesirable. Just food for > > thought. Peg > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================================================================ > > > POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the > > original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. 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