I have always felt a "fault" was something to notice, an "undesirable fault" was something to consider, and a "disqualifying fault" was something to dismiss the entry with. One of my major issues is those who do not consider faults in movement serious faults. I think lack of proper movement, should be criticized more than it is. Our standard is such, that it leave a lot of room for the judge to decide how to use it. It is more of a guideline than a fault sheet, to eliminate dogs. Each judge can march to his/her own tune. We have a full band to work with. Evan -----Original Message----- From: cudjoegsd <cudjoegsd@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: showgsd-l <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thu, Jan 8, 2015 9:12 am Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Understanding the GSD Standard Listers-A recent discussion with a knowledgeable lister got me to thinking. This could be a dangerous thing but as a confirmation judge I need all the help I can get. In the e-mail discussion, undesirable and fault were mentioned. After thinking over the discussion, I looked up the definition of each and was surprised to see that "undesirable" seemed to be more serious than" fault. ". Am I incorrect in my assumption that undesirable is more serious than a fault? I am not talking about a serious fault but what the Standard lists a just a fault. This is a serious discussion and we need to keep cool heads when discussing this subject. Another question would follow that if we are divided on this then should the word 'undesirable" be removed. If so, what word or words should replace it. D.D.