My personal take on this may be different than the dictionary. The dictionary may define things a certain way, but the application of those terms within a given discipline may be different. That is, the dictionary changes over time because of usage or culture but the use of a term in the past may have meant something totally different. In many fields, theology, psychology, history, government, etc. we often refer back to the writings of philosophers of the past, only to find terms used differently or term used that are no longer used. As applied to our standard, a fault is usually a specific thing that is a defect in the animal. Desirable is used for several thing, color as an example. The problem is, color is not a definite measurement but a subjective matter in that colors vary, not by large leaps but by minuscule degrees. Therefore, I would think that a fault of color is worse than a less than desirable color that is less than rich and dark, Personal interpretation, faults are more serious than a desired preference. All dogs being equal (seldom the case) the preferred counts. All dogs being almost equal but one with a defined fault and one who is a little light in color, I would thing the light dog wins. But then, what do I know????? Dave From: showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of cudjoegsd@xxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2015 9:12 AM To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Understanding the GSD Standard Listers-A recent discussion with a knowledgeable lister got me to thinking. This could be a dangerous thing but as a confirmation judge I need all the help I can get. In the e-mail discussion, undesirable and fault were mentioned. After thinking over the discussion, I looked up the definition of each and was surprised to see that "undesirable" seemed to be more serious than" fault. ". Am I incorrect in my assumption that undesirable is more serious than a fault? I am not talking about a serious fault but what the Standard lists a just a fault. This is a serious discussion and we need to keep cool heads when discussing this subject. Another question would follow that if we are divided on this then should the word 'undesirable" be removed. If so, what word or words should replace it. D.D. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com