[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Another question on: Understanding the GSD Standard
- From: "Stormy V. Hope" <stormy435@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: bedkar@xxxxx
- Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 13:15:29 -0800
This is NOT directed at this post only or specifically. It’s just a reminder
to everybody to remove the “redact” address (Ileana (Redacted sender
"inquestgsd@xxxxxxx" for DMARC) )when you reply to the list. It always bounces.
And no, I don’t know why Ileana’s addy was the one that always shows up in
there. Maybe Zoe does <G>
Thanks a lot.
> On Jan 8, 2015, at 12:56 PM, Bedkar <bedkar@xxxxx> wrote:
>
> Every Breed standard is specific to what the breed does and what defines type
> in that breed.
> Most Working, Herding and Sporting standards are very specific about correct
> dentition.....
> to the point that what can or can not be missing and what is correct bite and
> what is permissible
> is clearly defined. Dobes can have no more than 4 missing teeth but they can
> not have any
> extra teeth. In Leonbergers, full dentition is preferred but only a missing
> 3rd molar is allowed.
> Australian Shepherds "strongly prefer" full dentition and a scissors bite .
> If I were to get an overshot bite in any Working, Herding or Sporting breed
> in the Group I would
> be highly surprised....and no, I would not use it.....and,yes, I would
> probably talk to the judge who
> gave it BOB.
>
> From: "Carolyn Martello" <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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> To: dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
> "Showgsd-l GSDList" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2015 12:23:49 PM
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>
> Other Breeds don't even care about missing teeth....
>
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> <mailto:showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] On Behalf Of Chris S. Kimerer
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> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Another question on: Understanding the GSD Standard
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> I would think it would depend on the breed, some of them just don't care
> about teeth or bite, I have not read all breeds' standards, but can think of
> the bully breeds that have awful bites, the shit zu's, and all the Toy breeds
> also, do bites matter in those? So if not a bite fault in the standard, they
> could show up I would imagine.
>
> Interesting point though.
> Chris
> Chris S. Kimerer
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> From: "dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>"
> <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> To: stormy435@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stormy435@xxxxxxxxx>
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> Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2015 12:41 PM
> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Another question on: Understanding the GSD Standard
>
> I can't imagine an overshot dog in the Group ring.
>
> Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC
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> In a message dated 1/8/2015 1:37:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> stormy435@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stormy435@xxxxxxxxx> writes:
> I have another question and Chris’ example just reminded me ….
>
> Judges out there: No dog is perfect, but if you were judging a group and one
> dog was far closer to the standard that the others, almost perfect in your
> eyes, BUT had an overshot jaw, what would you do?
>
> Stormy Hope
>
> On Jan 8, 2015, at 10:30 AM, Chris S. Kimerer (Redacted sender
> "tanbarkgsd@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:tanbarkgsd@xxxxxxxxx>" for DMARC)
> <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>
> D.D.
> When you say you looked up the definition, are you referring to Webster
> Dictionary or AKC's definition?
>
> My first reactive answer would be that undesirable would be less serious than
> a fault, so this is a very interesting point you are making. After just
> reading the entire AKC Standard as published on it's website, I actually only
> see one reference for undesirable:
>
> "An overshot jaw or a level bite is undesirable"
>
>
> Stormy V. Hope
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