[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Truth in real dollars
- From: Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx
- To: lindabankhead@xxxxxxxxxxx, cnnpmm2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 09:14:32 EDT
It came through for me ok, maybe the list server scrambled it.
I think the point that is being missed; it's NOT the 4 month rule (that has
recently been expanded), it's the "guidelines section" and the "business
relationship" section. Your mom was on the bitch, Jeff was hired to show
the bitch BEFORE showing to her at the F/M.
Now, we can ALL point to times this has happened. Not only that, as Sally
correctly mentions there's more ink on dog transfers before F/Ms and
nationals than any other time of the year.
Somebody complained to the AKC though. (Wasn't me, I don't have a dog in
the fight, lol). Once that happens......
What irritates me through all of this though, and why I jumped in (if
anybody cares), is that good people are having their names smeared through all
of this.
Here's the deal; it doesn't make any sense to me to try and defend breaking
a rule. It could be a stupid rule, it could be something that wasn't
deliberate, 100 other people could have broken the same rule and never been
caught/punished/sanctioned. Remember when all of our collective mothers
said it doesn't matter if dozens of others went trough a red light it's still
wrong and if you get caught you take your punishment?
So to defend things that were never the point of the sanction, to rebut
facts NEVER in question (i.e. that your Mom had a problem w/ the AKC), to
offer silly money rewards to make a point that wasn't at issue in the first
place and ESPECIALLY to drag down others' reputation while doing so...well
it offends me.
But I appreciate you answering the question and confirming the facts
Linda. Plain and simple, your mom co-owned a bitch that Jeff was hired to
handle BEFORE he showed to her at the F/M. In addition to the board members
who
are being smeared, you know who my heart breaks for???? Jeff's owners who
had their awards taken away.
Now, on a positive note...free shipping from Land's End. Expires Sept 10.
Enter code CRISP and PIN 7854.
Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC
Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions
visit _http://www.pinehillgsds.com/_ (http://www.pinehillgsds.com/)
In a message dated 9/4/2009 9:05:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
lindabankhead@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:
Indeed, you are totally correct. I booked the show with Jeff, co own the
bitch. Knew the 4 month rule- never knew a new rule set forth by AKC May of
this year could be retroactive to April 2007. LOL I only verified with Jeff
that he was not under me at the NE Fut-Mat June 2007. That would have
violated the rule.
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From: Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 18:09:26 EDT
To: <lindabankhead@xxxxxxxxxxx>; <cnnpmm2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
<showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Truth in real dollars
Further from the rules:
D. Situations that require you to excuse a dog entered under you.
1. A dog you or a member of your family has owned, co-owned, sold,
boarded, etc. within one year (In Guidelines, with the excusal requirement
added, but also in Chapter 11, Section 13).
2. A person who has handled for you within four months prior to the
show date (In Guidelines also elsewhere with the excusal requirement added in
the "CONFLICT OF INTEREST" section).
3. A person with whom you have a business relationship (In
Guidelines).
Now, Joan, since you have put this out there, and Linda, since you bring
it up below, but actually "skirt" #3 above, and since you've both made it all
quite public, is it true that the AKC has entry forms for a show that
closed prior to the F/M that were submitted/signed or e-signed by Joan (BEFORE
the Futurity/Maturity in question) for a bitch of Joan's that Jeff was to
show AFTER the F/M????
Because if that was the case, then Joan would have had a "business
relationship" prior to the F/M, Jeff would have been unable to show to Joan
and
the subsequent actions taken by the GSDCA were indeed correct.
I don't think anybody ever questioned (or at least I didn't) that Joan was
sanctioned by the AKC, but that seems to be the point of rebuttal.
Anyway, it's a moot point. Anyone can look at the back of the Gazette and
see that's not the case.
The question is whether the parent club sanctions were just and IF Jeff
was contracted and/or entries were made before the F/M, then they were just.
The scuttlebutt is that the AKC has such entry forms, and again, rather
that go round and round about an AKC sanction that wasn't in questions, maybe
either of you could clear that up.
Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC
Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions
visit _http://www.pinehillgsds.com/_ (http://www.pinehillgsds.com/)
In a message dated 9/4/2009 4:51:06 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
lindabankhead@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:
I am putting true money on the table. I will donate $10,000 (ten thousand
dollars) to rescue if Carmen Battaglia or Nancy Harper can tell us one time
Jeff Pyle EVER handled, watered, or fed, (covering all bases here lol) a
dog for Joan Fox prior to her judging the SE Fut Mat in April of 2006. I am
serious on the challenge and confident my bank account will not be
depleted.
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-----Original Message-----
From: <cnnpmm2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 15:56:56
To: <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: handling for a judge
The 4-month rule may have only recently been added to the GSDCA judging
guidlines, but as of 01/08/2004, this rule was in effect with the AKC. The
GSDCA Futurities/Maturities are AKC *sanctioned* matches. Therefore, the
judge of an AKC sanctioned match is required to follow *AKC* rules and
guidlines in effect at the time the match took place.
Here's the AKC link where you will find the 4-month rule stated clearly
and concisely:
http://www.akc.org/about/conflict/exhibitB.cfm
Look under section III. Ineligible Dogs and you will see the following:
"2. If a judge uses an agent, the agent is not to exhibit dogs under the
judge for at least four months after working for you. This policy applies
for breed competition, but it is recommended to avoid at all levels (Policy
- Guidelines)."
If my post is incorrect, please let met know.
Paulette McGuirt, GSDCA Member
Wellborn-Allemande German Shepherds
Qui Me Amat, Amat et Canem Meam
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peg Kurz" <gatlinp@xxxxxxx>
To: <dan-ann@xxxxxxxx>; <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 2:01 PM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: handling for a judge
Your right Sally, there was never a rule until recently that said
"4-months after he showed to you"
Peg
Just for clarification at the time
the 4-month rule stated: A Handler cannot show under a judge for 4 months
AFTER he handles for that Judge
-----Original Message-----
From: Sally Hayden <dan-ann@xxxxxxxx>
To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Fri, Sep 4, 2009 1:55 pm
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] handling for a judge
Just for clarification at the time
the 4-month rule stated: A Handler cannot show under a judge for 4 months
AFTER he handles for that Judge
Sally
www.embroiderybysally.org
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