Ann is 100% correctamundo on this post!! That was my point in my first post on this subject.... and I believe this to be the most important fact in all these discussions when people complain about conformation not meaning anything anymore. ( mainly because THEY are not involved anymore!! ) <G> THAT IS JUST NOT RIGHT......UNLESS ..... you do not care about the GSD as a Breed...let alone an ELITE AWESOME BREED!!! When there are no more conformation breeders and shows......we LOSE THIS BREED!! Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.marhaven.com On Behalf Of Anne Utter Subject: Re: Another way to look at it. If the GSDCA breeders stop breeding, performance may go on. But there would be no need of a standard anymore since everyone would just breed what they want to breed. No standard, no goal. Eventually, would the GSD even look like a GSD - herding/working dog?? A proper structure and temperament, good health genetics are needed and therefore a standard and the Breeders of quality GSDs are needed. I always thought that the conformation shows were first established to showcase the breeding stock (none are altered). It can't be just a "pretty" show. But without Conformation shows, where would the GSD be in a few years? JMO Anne, GA Sent from Anne's iPad On Feb 23, 2015, at 11:43 AM, Evan Ginsburg (Redacted sender "elg440@xxxxxxx" for DMARC) <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Tedi raised a good point, I had not thought about. Most of the breeding is done by the conformation people. We provide the performance dogs, and few of the performance exhibitors breed litters. I am not sure what that means, or how it impacts entries, but if we conformation people stop breeding litters, (which many have), were are the puppies going to come from? I know when we get calls for puppies, we have trouble finding anyone with litters in Southern California. Evan