In a message dated 1/27/2009 8:48:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ELG440 writes: I spent a lot of time with Bob Penny when it was being developed, and the models he used. He explained it to me, showed me the work sheets and we talked time and time again over the subtle differences. I made some suggestions and changes, and he considered them. Then I worked a couple of tests, took a few dogs through, and have watched about half a dozen evaluators. I could do a better job than half of them, and perhaps not as good as the other half. About the same as every entry today. If asked to be a temperament evaluator I would be pleased to do so for the good of the breed. If asked to spend months or even weeks in training, I would be pleased to turn it down. We can kill a program by thinking too much about what it takes. I remember the training given to the early evaluators. We should do no more and expect no less. Evan L. Ginsburg Thanks Evan. Maybe some will listen to the voice of experience and reason. Ileana **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================