In a message dated 2/2/2005 3:36:59 P.M. Central Standard Time, mgolant@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: Things are rarely as they seem. Please don't yell "fire" in a crowded theater. There was no debacle. There was spontaneous discussion at the Board meeting regarding problems with the in-ring temperament evaluation, particularly when incorrectly administered by certain judges, and on the problems this can cause, both to the affected animals and their owners, and to perceptions among all-breed judges and the public. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------------------------------------- Margery's has more than perception here....she is the recording secretary and does so with great detail. She also appears to be the best accuracy police. VBG I was also present at that board meeting and listened to the discussion on temperament testing. There was many good points both for and against having the test. One of the biggest problems is an incorrectly administered test, more amongst our all breed judges, but still includes some of the specialty judges. It appears to be a matter of interpretation by some, we all do not see things the same. Perhaps more judges seminars might help to better educate the less informed if the test as we now know it is to continue. And of course there is the argument that making the Shepherd the only breed to have to undergo such a test does send the wrong message. I so agree with the post that a good judge can tell temperament by the dogs eyes and body language. So what does that say about the rest? To do or not to do, that is the question? Perhaps open forum will assist the board in whether it should be continued or not. Molly Trillia German Shepherds ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================