[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Sick and Tired of Dog Talk???
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- To: edangsd@xxxxxxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:24:16 -0400
Carolyn,
I remember being at?a National in Perry on one Friday evening....?A handler was
talking to us about the dog he was handling the next day in Specials.? He said
this dog is big, handsome, masculine, has a fantastic forehand, and an
exemplary temperament... the dogs only fault was that he dragged his toes in
the rear... his only fault.? His question to us was:??Do you throw away a dog
for one fault??? My answer was: ?YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Most definately if it is
THAT fault. A couple of people (including Joan... LOL) thought I was a
little?too blunt... the dog's handler was a very nice guy who obviously thought
very highly of that dog.
The handler thought it was just one simple fault.?
I will have to say that handler was dead on about his dog no exaggeration at
all.? He was everything he said that he was, in fact, he may have understated
the dog in some respects.... BIG dark handsome and VERY masculine, long neck,
high wither, beautiful back and absolutely correct height to length...
excellent? correct coat.? I was in LOVE until he started moving.
The dog did go Select.... and several people on the list (at least one judge)
bred to the dog.... the dog produced several Champions.... I will have to say
that, of his progeny, I only saw three of them.... but the three that I saw
were all?dragging their toes?in the rear and two had dead tails.
Do you throw away a dog for one fault...... YES!? If it is that fault.
Gary Lewis
Garter German Shepherd Dogs
Home of:
RMB Lisa of Fran-Jo Anne Isle ROM
BOM Ch Yankee of Fran-Jo Anne Isle
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From: ANN SCHULTZ <edangsd@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; pmick12@xxxxxxxxxxx; Stormy435@xxxxxxx;
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Sent: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 6:01 pm
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Sick and Tired of Dog Talk???
I saw a dog that did very well at major shows under all arounders that had a
very dead tail and dragged his rear recently. It must have been clean coming
and
going. <G> Ann
Carolyn Martello <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: After being off the List for
a month I came back on about 3 weeks ago and after
seeing conversation going on at that time...... I POSTED a long post about
dragging
toes, flopping tails and rotating stifles....no follow through, no drive and
rears that
pump up and down instead of drive forward, and flipping UP pasterns...etc...
One Lister was very interested and engaged in the conversation and when she
used a terminology used for Dalmations for a 'fast or short stepping'
dog.....and
that terminology generated more conversation than the concern for the
malfunctioning
rears of a Herding Breed.........??
THAT being said.......without Evan's Schedule in front of me I think it is time
to discuss
colors again!!!!!! YIKES!!!
Actually someone ( no I won't say who....nor the pedigree ) sent me a photo of
a
very
nice looking white GSD that was from a brother sister inbreeding.......and
there
were
three very prominant show dogs in the first three generations. The other side
...the
( dam ) were dogs I would not recognize.....ALL were listed as black and tans
or
black
and creams. Surprised me on the inbreeding....and the dogs in the pedigree.
Has anyone seen any of the dogs with malfunctioning rears herd.... to know if
they can
twist, turn, accelerate and stop and turn on a dime while evading and herding
sheep?
Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.Marhaven.com
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From: Peggy
To: Stormy435@xxxxxxx ; cnnpmm2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 12:06 PM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Sick and Tired of Dog Talk???
I think Evan keeps track of when we are supposed to start these cycles,
doesn't he? Evan...when do we start talking about dragging toes
again??????????
Peggy
While I don't have a "shiny happy" persona, I do my be
st to keep a positive
outlook on life. Sometimes, in certain situations, it's difficult to do
so... Like when I think about the upcoming presidential election. But, I
digress...
Another thing that makes me kinda sad is this List... The sport of GSD
conformation showing is exhibiting serious signs of morbidity. (Maybe
dying, maybe not.) It doesn't take a "Pillar of the Breed" to figure this
out.
There is one thing I've learned from my life experiences - *apathy* kills.
I hear experienced GSD fanciers say over and over, "Newbies don't want to
learn. They don't have the desire to be serious students of the Breed."
While there may be some truth to that, I'd like to counter with - do you,
who subscribe to the above, have any desire to *teach* and share your
knowledge?
What has transpired on this List lends credence to *both* claims... From
what I can tell, Newbies and Oldies alike are suffering from a serious case
of apathy...
Here's why I say what I say... A week or so ago, I found an article in an
old Review regarding the GSD Standard. I thought the article was great and
very much applicable today. I posted a synopsis of this article to the
List.
I was hoping my post would generate some lively conversation re. our
Standard. I received exactly *two* responses to this post. (Thanks, you
two!)
Yet, somebody posts they are looking for a concrete Shepherd and just look
at the number of responses this post has generated. Or post something
about the weather and check out the abundance of comments.
I see nothing wrong with posts such as these, but I do see something wrong
with what this List has become... Sometimes, it seems like everyone is
willing to talk about anything *but* German Shepherd Dogs!
Several times in the past, I've tried to initiate serious discussion
relating to GSD's and have gotten nowhere. For the longest time, I took
this personal... That I'm just a Newbie and nobody is interested in what I
have to say. However, after talking to other Listers, who aren't Newbies at
all, I know this isn't the
case... These very experienced and successful
fanciers have tried to stimulate GSD discussions and they too have been very
disappointed by the lack of interest.
This List is *incredible* when it comes to helping one another with whatever
type of problem - whether it be dog related or very personal. However, this
List could be a *phenomenal* teaching and learning tool! Look at the
membership roster and think about the cumulative years of experience
represented there. It kinda blows my mind!
Okay, I'll shut up now, but before I go, I've got to ask both you Newbies
and Oldies...
Are you sick and tired of talking about the German Shepherd Dog and all that
encompasses - past, present, and future? I seriously hope I'm wrong, but
it sure seems that way...
Paulette McGuirt, GSDCA Member
Allemande German Shepherd Dogs
Qui Me Amat, Amat et Canem Meam
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