As we say in the hood " I feel ya." This past winter I asked a question and the response was "why should I answer because newbies never do what you tell them anyway..." and subsequently was booted off a list for defending myself. The good thing is my interest in the breed goes way back to childhood, and I am a very self motivated person. It's more than just shows. My local club is awesome, and with the exception that I have choosen not to breed, I will remain a loyal fancier of this breed, as long as my wallet allows :) Denise W. http://sabianshepherds.tripod.com for show and performance ----- Original Message ---- From: "cnnpmm2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <cnnpmm2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 1:36:29 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Sick and Tired of Dog Talk??? While I don't have a "shiny happy" persona, I do my best to keep a positive outlook on life. Sometimes, in certain situations, it's difficult to do so... Like when I think about the upcoming presidential election. But, I digress... Another thing that makes me kinda sad is this List... The sport of GSD conformation showing is exhibiting serious signs of morbidity. (Maybe dying, maybe not.) It doesn't take a "Pillar of the Breed" to figure this out. There is one thing I've learned from my life experiences - *apathy* kills. I hear experienced GSD fanciers say over and over, "Newbies don't want to learn. They don't have the desire to be serious students of the Breed." While there may be some truth to that, I'd like to counter with - do you, who subscribe to the above, have any desire to *teach* and share your knowledge? What has transpired on this List lends credence to *both* claims... From what I can tell, Newbies and Oldies alike are suffering from a serious case of apathy... Here's why I say what I say... A week or so ago, I found an article in an old Review regarding the GSD Standard. I thought the article was great and very much applicable today. I posted a synopsis of this article to the List. I was hoping my post would generate some lively conversation re. our Standard. I received exactly *two* responses to this post. (Thanks, you two!) Yet, somebody posts they are looking for a concrete Shepherd and just look at the number of responses this post has generated. Or post something about the weather and check out the abundance of comments. I see nothing wrong with posts such as these, but I do see something wrong with what this List has become... Sometimes, it seems like everyone is willing to talk about anything *but* German Shepherd Dogs! Several times in the past, I've tried to initiate serious discussion relating to GSD's and have gotten nowhere. For the longest time, I took this personal... That I'm just a Newbie and nobody is interested in what I have to say. However, after talking to other Listers, who aren't Newbies at all, I know this isn't the case... These very experienced and successful fanciers have tried to stimulate GSD discussions and they too have been very disappointed by the lack of interest. This List is *incredible* when it comes to helping one another with whatever type of problem - whether it be dog related or very personal. However, this List could be a *phenomenal* teaching and learning tool! Look at the membership roster and think about the cumulative years of experience represented there. It kinda blows my mind! Okay, I'll shut up now, but before I go, I've got to ask both you Newbies and Oldies... Are you sick and tired of talking about the German Shepherd Dog and all that encompasses - past, present, and future? I seriously hope I'm wrong, but it sure seems that way... Paulette McGuirt, GSDCA Member Allemande German Shepherd Dogs Qui Me Amat, Amat et Canem Meam ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. 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