Wow--- what repartee and out pouring of emotions!!!! I commend both ladies for their honesty and concern over our wonderful breed. The standard is the standard and the judges who compare one animal against another -- i.e., number 2 did not have the reach that number 1 did is not acceptable in my opinion. This happens all the time --- even at our national and what the judges should do is discuss the why number 2 did not reach as well as number 1. Explain that the upper arm is perhaps short or that the upper arm angle with the scapula is not ideal again referring to the standard without referring to each animal as the "placings" will give the answers. I also think that critiques should be a must as it tell the observers as well as the handlers and owners the why of the judges thoughts!!! I realize this is "not allowed" by the AKC nor is double handling but how boring for the observers. The subject of fast gaiting has always been a pet peeve of mine. The natural gait of the GSD is the slow to medium trot and should be judged as such. The "flying trot" i.e. the suspended gait ,can be seen at the slow to medium trot and the racing around the ring is superfluous. I think the racing is done for the spectators and this has been a trend even in Germany --at least for a very short extent. The gait should be BUOYANT --that is the animal should have spring in it's gait with tremendous power from the hindquarter that is transmitted over the strong back to the forequarter. I too am concerned about our breed here in North America BUT let me say we have improved and we have some excellent specimens that could win anywhere in the world. Temperaments are definitely better but middle pieces and croups have a way to go. The upper arms are typically long but straight and lie too far forward but again this is a general statement as we do have excellent examples. I judge alot internationally and will be in New Zealand in April for their Championship which will be a 2 day even with about 300 dogs shown. All countries have problems within the breed but they too do their best to improve as we are doing. I will relate my experience there when I return and see what they have done to improve since my last judging assignment. We are in control of a wonderful breed let us all do what we can to improve it's health and well being as well as it's structure and reason for it's existence. Thanks, Morton Goldfarb ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2009. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================