No Carolin it wasn't you. :0) Boss had not been born yet ;0) Terry who's lips are sealed. Terry Cochran <fairway97045@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: You are very right on this. When I decided to buy my first show dog I went to a gal that had bred 2 grand victors. She showed me a bitch that was beautiful and she would sell her to me for a few thousand. I pointed out that she had a serious fault according to the standard. Her reply was What the heck does the standard have to do with a show dog :0) Our breed is divided into All Breed, Specialty, and the German styles What you see in one ring is different than the other 2. Here is the thing. The general public understands what Best In Show means. They do not have a clue what a Grand Victor is nor, do they care. As a national club we have done little to advertise ourselves or sell our dogs and ideas. When it comes to marketing we Suck !!!!!! Terry edwinx wrote: Some one posted about our high rank among AKC numbers. 4th or 5th I think, and our low ranked National as far as the number of entries....this is what I think...first I will always believe location, location, location, continues to be a problem...but a second problem and perhaps an even bigger one than location is that even though we have One standard..we have TWO very different dogs that show under this standard...let me explain.....In Feb. I went to Chicago to a three day specialty show (stayed only two days)..it was a fairly large entry saw some very nice dogs....two weeks later I went to Denver to see a four day all-breed show (stayed only two days, the entry was 80 to 90 total...saw some very nice dogs...here is my point....the so-called all-breed dog is different than the so-called specialty dog...since there are way more all-breed shows it is my guess that there are way more so-called all-breed GSDs...well assuming this is true than all these so-called all-breed GSDs w ould not enter the National since this show tends to feature the so-called Specialty dog.....not knowing much about the other breeds it is also my guess that the difference if any, between specialty and all-breed dogs in other breeds is much smaller...we have one standard...we should have one type of show GSD...and please do not say we do just have one, cuz that just aint so....a good friend of mine said...our standard is like a moving target!.....and we all know a moving target is hard to hit!....Ed Hill ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. 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