Minivan? Take a look at the Honda Odyssey. Esp. with the touring package, it's a great van...don't know how many 500 crates will fit in it, but the seats supposedly fold up flat (like the Dodge Caravan) so there should be room for at least 3. Around here prices for the 2006s are close to 40 thousand. Without the touring package it's still a great van but a few thou less. Mileage is around 18 mpg, which I believe is normal for a minivan. Honda has, of course, a superb reputation for dependability. Fred would tell you the Ford Freestar or whatever it is this year. I checked one out this summer, a 2005 of course...and I've ridden in several. They are good, too...can't swear to the mileage, tho. Everyone I know with a Kia thinks they now have the best car ever...but I hear the mileage isn't too hot. Can't beat the warranty, tho...10 years worth. Dodge and Chrysler minivans have bad reps for dying or developing heart disease around 50,000 miles, but they are great if they don't do that...best prices, best mileage. Peggy > > ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================