In a message dated 10/24/2005 2:43:52 PM Pacific Daylight Time, holly@xxxxxxxxx writes: You definitely have to worry about the hooks. However, there are two ways to deal with it. One is to have one side or the other stick into one of the crates (this is what I do) or remove them. Someone on the list told me that you can just unscrew them. I think this would be preferable if you don't use the back seat, I do so I just have one hook stick into the crate, the dogs haven't complained just yet! You do have to measure the crates though, I had to return the first two I bought. I can look up what I ended up with if anyone is interested. (I also bought a slant front at a yard sale which also fits great.) I love my Odyssey. I haven't had any problems with it and it tows our popup really well. They have solved that problem no more hooks in the 2006, but the middle seats have a console between them and don't fold down. I like the Quest it has everything--mileage is 18 city 22 interstate. Less money than the Honda all seats fold and their touring package is cheeper than Honda. Peg ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================